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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by shiroiuma »

hunter2_ wrote: post #100
HideousKojima wrote: post #92

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>Imagine valuing your time so little you waste it trying to block instead of just abstaining or using premium. I mean it takes ~15 seconds to update uBlock Origin's filter scripts any time there's an update to bypass YouTube. Based on my current salary that's under 50 cents worth of my time. Also I've actually had zero adblock warnings on Firefox so far, my wife had issues on Opera and uBO wasn't updated yet and I sp…

I could be wrong, but I interpreted gp as criticizing those who make the solutions available/easy, not those who use the solutions. The former are "trying to block" which takes time -- the latter simply block which is closer to immediate. And then there's us discussing the whole thing, which shows that sometimes the pleasure is in the journey, not the destination.

The people who make the solutions are probably doing it because they enjoy it, just like many OSS projects. It's just like ages ago when crackers spent tons of time reverse-engineering games to defeat copy protection: it was a challenge for them, and they enjoyed sharing the results with their communities.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by shiroiuma »

superfrank wrote: post #134
kibwen wrote: post #42

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Let's permanently dispense with this weird notion that blocking ads is theft. When you're listening to the radio, it's not theft to change the station when ads come up. When you're watching TV, it's not theft to mute the TV and get a drink when ads come up. Youtube has zero moral expectation that people will actually watch the ads it serves. They're giving a product away for free, and people are consuming it for free…

Just because it isn't theft doesn't mean they need to be okay with you doing it. If I went to a restaurant and decided I didn't like of the wine they have on their menu, so I went to the store next door and grabbed a bottle of wine, I'd likely be asked to pay a corkage fee. If I refused I'd likely be asked to leave. Businesses get to define their own rules and if you don't abide by them they're allowed to choose not…

No, I really don't have to agree to their terms of service. Their website serves me videos when I request them, and then tries to insert ads. I simply decline to load and view the ads. If they don't want to serve me the videos I request, they can do that, but that's not what they're doing.

Your mentality seems to be that a restaurant can offer free meals to anyone who walks in and sits down, then after they're already eating, demand they watch an annoying ad on a screen built into the table, and somehow the diners are morally obligated to watch it instead of just covering it up with their menu. That's BS.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by shiroiuma »

gosub100 wrote: post #334
wruza wrote: post #309

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First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

> you all just have to figure out new life with it. then they'll put the whole site behind a paywall, which could have mixed results. Everyone is focusing on paying the creators, but advertisers are also paying for moderation. voat showed us what an unmoderated reddit is like, and bitchute shows us what unmoderated youtube is like: trying to find DIY birdfeeder videos against the tide of holocaust denial and Podcast…

>and bitchute shows us what unmoderated youtube is like

Have you actually read any YouTube comments lately? YouTube doesn't have any moderation at all.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by ls612 »

Algent wrote: post #263
DeathArrow wrote: post #244

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>What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. Until Google changes how the web works and all other browsers will align. And they can do that, since they almost own the web trough Chrome.

Twitch "permanently" won by injecting ads directly on the feed, right now best you can do is sneak swap the small resolution version that stay on the side until they also removed this.

Actually the modern vaft script can completely bypass ads and has seen minimal changes for well over a year. Twitch gave up because most people, even the tech savvy ones, don't know about the solutions anymore.

https://github.com/pixeltris/TwitchAdSolutions

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by HankB99 »

Right now (2023-12-07 evening) I get a popup that advises me that ad blockers are not allowed. In the upper right corner there is a timer that turns to a check mark so I can dismiss the popup and watch my video.

Thing is, I've watched YT on my phone and it seems like the ads take a lot longer to stream than the time before I can dismiss the popup. The popup is a minor annoyance but better than a couple ads.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by superfrank »

shiroiuma wrote: post #442
superfrank wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it isn't theft doesn't mean they need to be okay with you doing it. If I went to a restaurant and decided I didn't like of the wine they have on their menu, so I went to the store next door and grabbed a bottle of wine, I'd likely be asked to pay a corkage fee. If I refused I'd likely be asked to leave. Businesses get to define their own rules and if you don't abide by them they're allowed to choose not…

No, I really don't have to agree to their terms of service. Their website serves me videos when I request them, and then tries to insert ads. I simply decline to load and view the ads. If they don't want to serve me the videos I request, they can do that, but that's not what they're doing. Your mentality seems to be that a restaurant can offer free meals to anyone who walks in and sits down, then after they're alread…

> I simply decline to load and view the ads.

That's fine, but then they can also choose to retaliate how they want. It's really weird that everything you're saying seems to boil down to "I don't need to play by their rules, but they need to play by mine."

I'm of the opinion that if you want to bypass their ads that's fine, but you can't get angry when they take action to prevent that.

> Your mentality seems to be that a restaurant can offer free meals to anyone who walks in and sits down, then after they're already eating, demand they watch an annoying ad on a screen built into the table, and somehow the diners are morally obligated to watch it instead of just covering it up with their menu. That's BS.

Yes, that's my attitude. I don't know why it wouldn't be. If a restaurant wanted to make me watch an ad before every single bite, then that's their prerogative. I wouldn't eat there, but if that's what they want to do, then that's their choice.

If YouTube wants to make you watch 10 ads before a 30 second video then more power to them. If they want to take action against people trying to bypass that then good for them. Similar to the example above, I'm not going to use them, but I don't get to dictate how they run their business. If you don't like their actions, then take your business elsewhere. They don't own you anything and vice versa. It's really as simple as that.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by solumunus »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #196
dmw_ng wrote: post #163

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Is there some place with a technical writeup of what YT are doing to frustrate circumvention so effectively?

Effectively? I've been using uBlock Origin the whole time. Whatever YouTube is doing, it cannot be accurately described as "effective".

I think they’re still doing split testing.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by shiroiuma »

superfrank wrote: post #447
shiroiuma wrote: post #442

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I really don't have to agree to their terms of service. Their website serves me videos when I request them, and then tries to insert ads. I simply decline to load and view the ads. If they don't want to serve me the videos I request, they can do that, but that's not what they're doing. Your mentality seems to be that a restaurant can offer free meals to anyone who walks in and sits down, then after they're alread…

> I simply decline to load and view the ads. That's fine, but then they can also choose to retaliate how they want. It's really weird that everything you're saying seems to boil down to "I don't need to play by their rules, but they need to play by mine." I'm of the opinion that if you want to bypass their ads that's fine, but you can't get angry when they take action to prevent that. > Your mentality seems to be tha…

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Beldin »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #319
wruza wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

I pay for YouTube to support the platform and creators. If you don't pay for a service, you aren't the customer you are the product. Google may need to shut down the free viewership of most YouTube videos unless the creator pays for them to be hosted or the viewers sign up for a subscription. The ad model is clearly failing.

> I pay for YouTube to support the platform and creators.

Paying Google to support creators pushes them to play to The Algorithm(tm) - which means they will adapt the presentation of their content to maximise profitability. And thereby stop making the content you're enjoying now.

As such, I think paying Google to support creators is one of the worst ways to support them. Buy their merch, support them directly on Patreon (or similar), or support a site where they ostensibly have more control (eg, Nebula). Don't coax them into a style of creating dictated by Google's algorithms.

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