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Can anyone explain this? “Remarkably, the letter’s signees include Ilya Sutskever, the company’s chief scientist and a member of its board, who has been blamed for coordinating the boardroom coup against Altman in the first place.”

Maybe he did because he regrets it, maybe the open letter is a google doc someone typed names into.

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post #332

The whole thing starts to look like a coup orchestrated by Microsoft

Reasoning based on cui bono is a hallmark of conspiracy theories.

Possibility is also a hallmark of conspiracy theories, yet we don't reject theories for being possible.

This is an argumentum ad odium fallacy

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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The whole thing starts to look like a coup orchestrated by Microsoft

Yeah, this was a fight between the non-profit and the for-profit branches of OpenAI, and the for-profit won. So now the non-profit OpenAI is essentially dead, the takeover is complete.

Is it? Who are the non-profit and for-profit sides? Sutskever initially got blames for ousting Altman, but now seemed to want him back. Is he changing sides only because he realises how many employees support Altman? Or were he and Altman always on the same side? And in that case, who is on the other side?

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post #405

Years from now we will look back to today as the watershed moment when ai went from technology capable of empowering humanity, to being another chain forged by big investors to enslave us for the profits of very few ppl. The investors (Microsoft and the Saudi’s) stepped in and gave a clear message: this technology has to be developed and used only in ways that will be profitable for them.

Years from now AI will have lost the limelight to some other trend and this episode will be just another coup in humanity's hundred thousand year history

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reasoning based on cui bono is a hallmark of conspiracy theories.

The alternative is "these guys don't know what they're doing, even if tens of billions of dollars are at stake". Which is to say, what's your alternative for a better explanation? (other than the "cui bono?" one, that is).

Your alternative explanation along with giant egos is pretty plausible.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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The whole thing starts to look like a coup orchestrated by Microsoft

Somehow reminds me of Nokia... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7645482 frik on April 25, 2014: > The Nokia fate will be remembered as hostile takeover. Everything worked out in the favor of Microsoft in the end. Though Windows Phone/Tablet have low market share, a lot lower than expected. > * Stephen Elop the former Microsoft employee (head of the Business Division) and later Nokia CEO with his infamous "Burning…

In many ways the analysis by Elop was right, Nokia was in trouble. However his solution wasn't the right one, and Nokia paid for it.

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post #278

If they join Sam Altman and Greg Brockman at Microsoft they will not need to start from scratch because Microsoft has full rights [1] to ChatGPT IP. They can just fork ChatGPT. Also keep in mind that Microsoft hasn't actually given OpenAI $13 Billion because much of that is in the form of Azure credits. So this could end up being the cheapest acquisition for Microsoft: They get a $90 Billion company for peanuts. [1]…

OpenAI's upper ceiling in for-profit hands is basically Microsoft-tier dominance of tech in the 1990s, creating the next uber billionaire like Gates. If they get this because of an OpenAI fumble it could be one of the most fortunate situations in business history. Vegas type odds. A good example of how just having your foot in the door creates serendipitous opportunity in life.

>A good example of how just having your foot in the door creates serendipitous opportunity in life.

Sounds like Altman's biography.

Re: OpenAI staff threaten to quit unless board resigns

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post #20

At this point, I think it’s absolutely clear no one has any idea what happened. Every speculation, no matter how sophisticated, has been wrong. It’s time to take a breath, step back, and wait until someone from OpenAI says something substantial.

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