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This post and its replies are a contest for who can best perform enlightened cynicism. The truth is there isn't any strong evidence one way or another, only your existing worldviews. Partnering with Microsoft and closing access both have profit-driven and ideology driven explanations, and we don't have strong evidence it's one and not the other.
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Rule of Acquisition no. 2 “The best deal is the one that brings the most profit.”
What's no. 1, or am I unintentionally beckoning you to violate it in making it vocal?
> Once you have their money, you never give it back.
There is no official rule 2 so the non-cannon one is as good as any and the unwritten rule [2]:
> When no appropriate rule applies, make one up
Means they probably would have been covered either way.
[0] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Ap...
[1] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Of...
[2] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Un...
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I can imagine both Apple and Google happily positioning themselves in the same type of relationship as OpenAI-Microsoft.
Google had internal efforts, and Anthropic already. They definitely don’t have the compute to spare to split with another organization. Apple surely doesn’t have a cluster that at all compares with the big cloud giants. Oracle and AWS are really the only cloud left, and oracle is already renting to Microsoft for GPU compute.
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Doomerism when it comes to technology has always been such a weird mindset to me. "oh no, they're gonna take the horses/horse buggies/telegram/landlines away!" "Goddamn, how dare they invent the bigger cannons!?" - Romans, 1453, in Constantinople probably. (One incident where I can use my exempt powers).
Most of the time the technology is not building an artificial intelligent computer that is capable of superhuman reasoning. Have you used gpt4? it's reasoning capabilities match human ability. The more you think about it, the more scary the reality becomes. GPT 4 can reason through any mental exercise as well as a human. The rest of the work to make it autonomous is simple in comparison.
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Might as well add LOC as a metric. Both can mean the person is extremely inefficient, over-engineering everything, and their eyes are begging for a break. However! The best engineers I've been around do work a lot and they like it.
I’m not sure why it’s seen as ok to work 100 hours per week, or even glorified. If instead of work it was something else it would be seen as a problem. 100 hours per week doesn’t leave room for anything else other than basic human needs. “They like it”, well all addicts like what they’re addicted to, it doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
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While I'm sure 100 hours a week is impossible, my dad did 6x11 work days which were dominated by coding pre-internet. You wouldn't know him, he burned out. I have personally witnessed him do more than 60 hours in a week coding. That said, his coding work isn't necessarilly creative. He can do a 12 hour stint of step through debugging stopping only to microwave frozen food. Or 12 hours of data analytic work. Since it…
I also notice that the more complex a task is, the less hours of it I can do. If I know what to write, and I just have to crunch out pretty straightforward code, I can do more hours (nowhere near 12 hours though, maybe 8 at best). I can imagine the work your dad did, didn't include juggling a big complex system in his head, which seems to require a lot of mental energy. That's basically also what Carmack states, that…
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does not matter, even CEO of Facebook role is a step down. This is a different game. I doubt these people have to work anymore. they are after something else.
If you are a bright mid-career FAANG engineer, you probably don’t have to work. You can just move to Vietnam and live comfortably on your savings. And people who are invested into “social impact” still care about their wealth and well-being despite living luxurious lives by the standards even of the developed world, let alone all other countries.
Like, sure you’d be able to live off your savings if you were allowed to stay in the country, but most countries have a short limit on a tourist visa and then you’d need to leave…
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I’m not sure why it’s seen as ok to work 100 hours per week, or even glorified. If instead of work it was something else it would be seen as a problem. 100 hours per week doesn’t leave room for anything else other than basic human needs. “They like it”, well all addicts like what they’re addicted to, it doesn’t mean it’s healthy.
When you are a founder and working in a company doing bleeding edge it’s easy to work lots of hours. Maybe it’s not the kind of environment for you but others thrive in it. Lots of high demand type roles out unrelated to engineering that also have large hour workloads and compensate exceptionally well.
What I’m trying to say is that it is an addiction like any other and should be treated as such, not glorified.
Forgive my ignorance but I am asking this because a lot of people have been mentioning AGI. Does OpenAI say anywhere that they want to achieve AGI at somw point in the future? While GPT and other generative AIs are extremely innovative and cool they are really really far away from being AGI. Setting sights on something like AGI seems delusional or a marketing stunt at this point.
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What's no. 1, or am I unintentionally beckoning you to violate it in making it vocal?
Actually the rule above is “non-cannon” [0]. In the official rules [1] number 1 is: > Once you have their money, you never give it back. There is no official rule 2 so the non-cannon one is as good as any and the unwritten rule [2]: > When no appropriate rule applies, make one up Means they probably would have been covered either way. [0] https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Rules_of_Acquisition#Ap... [1] https://mem…