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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by badtension »

Narishma wrote: post #332
asddubs wrote: post #34

I would love to see a more side by side comparison of specs. 2-3x times the speed pretty good though. The raspi 4 was just on the cusp of being usable as a main computer, I wonder how good this will be.

> The raspi 4 was just on the cusp of being usable as a main computer, I wonder how good this will be. Don't worry, software developers are on it. Soon the Pi 5 will also be on the cusp of being usable as a main computer.

What? Software getting slower faster than hardware getting faster? Impossible!

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by mkj »

johncole wrote: post #437

Their real problem has been supply chain. Custom silicon doesn't seem to be heading in the right direction.

The rp2040 was their first foray into custom silicon and has been completely unaffected by supply chain issues. In that case they ordered 10 million chip dies (dice?), I guess it might be similar here.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/raspberry-pi-10-million-rp...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by rerdavies »

michaeltimo wrote: post #432

For me the advantage of Raspberry pi was passive cooling without worrying about any moving objects and running 24/7. Being affordable was another clear advantage. These two does not apply here anymore. I might be wrong but buying a used mini pc like Nuc or SFF PCs seems to be more reasonable than buying a 80$ SBC + Case and adapter costs.

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure these are significantly more performant than a used mini PC.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by topherjaynes »

rewmie wrote: post #241
aastronaut wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it should be "The art of buying single-board computers and never running them once". I think the "once" is needed in the case of computers. They are as machines not directly comparable to books... A book, like any media, fulfilled its initial purpose after it has been "consumed" - anything else (looks nice, feels nice, smells nice) are physical, subjective qualities attached to it. You might even buy it solel…

> I think it should be "The art of buying single-board computers and never running them once". I think the "once" is needed in the case of computers. They are as machines not directly comparable to books... I have a few orange pi boards in a drawer that would disagree with you.

hardware equivalent of buying domains for side-projects you never do

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by jcuenod »

jacquesm wrote: post #424
suprjami wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

eBay. I've picked up thin clients for $50 which take 16G RAM and M.2 SSD.

I'm always on the lookout for the beefier chromeboxes, they're pretty small physically and pack a lot of punch for such a little box. Asus chromebox 3/i7 is my favorite so far.

Yes! I picked up a 4GB Acer chromebox with a celeron for $20. This is much better value to me than an RPi because I don't have to worry about ARM. Obviously RPi serves a different use case of tinkering with embedded dev, but tons of people are trying to put docker on these things...

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by cameron_b »

lonjil wrote: post #379
Chatting wrote: post #377

I question whether it's wise to launch a new product before the supply chain issues which have plagued Raspberry Pi for years have been fully resolved. Granted, the situation has improved slightly over the past few months. But you will still find Pi 4s out of stock more often than not. The CEO said last year not to expect a Pi 5 in 2023, because they wanted to take the time to recover. Why the u-turn? https://www.the…

It may be that whatever is currently bottlenecking RPi4 production isn't relevant to RPi5.

The RP1 I/O custom silicon hints that this may be the case

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by Archelaos »

stkdump wrote: post #143

No word on price. When Raspberry Pi first launched, this was the prime feature of the thing. Can we expect same price as the Raspberry Pi 4? (at the respective RAM level) Edit: found it here: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/introducing-raspberry-pi-5/ So the 4 GB model is 60$, which is 5$ more than the 4 GB model of the Raspberry 4 when that was launched: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-4-on-sale-now-.…

> I guess that is fair, especially with inflation nowadays.

The accumulated inflation in the US since June 2019 is c. 17%.[1] This means US$ 55 in June 2019 is "worth" c. US$ 64.35 today. So it seems that you get a 4GB Raspi 5 for c. 7.25% less today.

The "US Real Average Hourly Earnings" have increase by ca. 22% in the same period, from US$ 27.75 to US$ 33.82.[2] So an average person needs to work c. 12% less to buy a 4GB Raspi 5 today.

However, I think the issue is more complicated: There is inherent deflation in electronics, which is included in the inflation rate. you can observe it when looking at the current price of a 4GB Raspi 4 at Amazone, which is c. US$ 67. So if the introductory price for a Rapsi 5 is really going to be US$ 60, you get something better for more than 10% less now.

[1] https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-infl...

[2] https://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/realer_07112019.ht... and https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t19.htm

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by kanwisher »

systemvoltage wrote: post #242

I fundamentally have issues with Raspberry Pi brand. It markets itself as a “open source” company but it is anything but. Sure you can get pcb files, but the real stuff is the binary blobs for qualcomm processors. None of that stuff is open source. You can’t get a datasheet for it. So you’ve got a company that is taking advantage of OSS ecosystem’s reputation but returning nothing back. Treat it like any other compan…

All their software and documentation is open source. The only closed source bits are stuff they don’t control from Broadcom. They are easily one of the best SBCs for documentation and continued linux support over time, you can use 5 year old boards with latest kernels

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by serf »

glimshe wrote: post #348

Rasbperry Pis are losing their competitive edge for non-embedded applications to sub $150 mini PCs, which support Linux/Windows and will come with enclosure, NVMe slot, power button etc. The mini PCs are also generally much faster.

hardware consistency and gpio are pretty big factors.

rpi as a compute/media node has always sort of been secondary compared to the software/hat ecosystem -- there have essentially always been better SBC choices for those workloads/media-center-ing.

personally if I wanted a media-center/nas/small-server i'd go with one of the dozens of SBCs that have onboard sata and save myself the hassle of doing it all over an overloaded usb hub.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by kotaKat »

... They really love being in charge of the cabal that sells HDMI dongles, don't they? Mini/microHDMI are terrible for video and just not mechanically robust. :\
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