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Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by reacharavindh »

amatecha wrote: post #409
aeyes wrote: post #288

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You know what would be even better? If you could reliably uninstall all this junk or not even install it at all. Every time I hit some button on my keyboard and the Music app opens asking me to create an account I am reminded how hostile all commercial operating systems are.

It's interesting, I've been using OpenBSD for the past couple years and it has _not once_ enraged me the way Windows and Mac do. I still use Windows for work, and own a ton of Macs (probably getting close to ~30 by now), but OpenBSD is the OS I use for most general computing stuff. I mean, I'm using a GUI that is really primitive by comparison to Win/Mac (i3wm) but it's actually great. Extremely fast, efficient, and…

I love OpenBSD…… as a server particularly as a DNS or a network gateway with pf as a firewall.

But, I cannot fathom how using OpenBSD on a Desktop/Laptop for personal computing would NoT enrage me everyday. The things I’d do on my personal computer :

1. Browse all bloated modern websites using a modern web browser - Firefox

2. Work with photos(personal) - edit them, crop them to share with someone, markup screenshots to put in docs etc.

3. Use PDFs without worrying about formats, markup on them as needed, fill forms on PDFs.

4. Media - playback audio and video. Without worrying about whether I have the right codecs or file formats.

Wouldn’t OpenBSD make me constantly fight against its opinionated safety first way of doing things? Sure, one can run Firefox on OpenBSD, but would it play YouTube and Netflix without making me pull my hair?

I can install ffmpeg, relevant codecs, PDF tools, Darktable or other Unix friendly photo tools, but wouldn’t that be a constant fight and tweaking to keep them running?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by wldcordeiro »

brandonasuncion wrote: post #373
stouset wrote: post #336

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> No other OS requires you too look it up. - Windows 3.1 - Windows 95 - Windows 98 - Windows 98 Second Edition - Windows 2000 - Windows Me - Windows XP - Windows Vista - Windows 7 - Windows 8 - Windows 10 1507 - Windows 10 2004 - Windows 10 21H2 - Windows 10 22H2 - Windows 11 21H2 - Windows 11 22H2 Compare to - Mac OS X 10.0 (Cheetah) - Mac OS X 10.1 (Puma) - Mac OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) - Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther) - Mac OS…

Also, Android 1.0 Android 1.1 Android Cupcake Android Donut Android Eclair Android Froyo Android Gingerbread Android Honeycomb Android Ice Cream Sandwich Android Jelly Bean Android KitKat Android Lollipop Android Marshmallow Android Nougat Android Oreo Android Pie Android 10 Android 11 Android 12 Android 12L Android 13 Android 14 Android 15

I could have sworn the dessert names were code names and they did numbered releases too the entire time but they did drop the 1.x numbering for just whole versions.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by rfrey »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #410
travisjungroth wrote: post #405

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One of the problems with OSS burnout is this many-to-one relationship with the users and maintainer. It’s sort of like the relationship between an outfielder and the bleacher crowd at a baseball game. Maintainers get requests to do things they have no interest in, like maintaining software for OSes past a certain date. That doesn’t sound so bad, but there are a lot, and they can even be mean. The maintainer can block…

It's not burnout. The homebrew team have been insufferable and egotistical for a long time. Max Howell (founder of homebrew) went to interview at Google, shoved a coding exercise back in their faces, made a snotty comment about how all the engineers at Google using Macs use his code and how dare they blah blah greatest engineer in the world blah blah, and walked out the door. That coding exercise was likely given to…

This is very reductive. For anyone not familiar with the story, Howell's experience at Google was the original source of the "Invert a binary tree on the whiteboard" meme. Opinions on his experience were all over the map, with very thoughtful people defending Google and other thoughtful people criticizing them.

And for what it's worth, Howell did say he regretted his tweet, and that he wasn't up to snuff technically (in the Quora link in a sibling comment to this one).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by pxc »

mdaniel wrote: post #223
n8henrie wrote: post #197

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https://nixos.org/download.html#nix-install-macos The homebrew team seems incredibly burnt-out, to the point of hostility. I've really enjoyed the nixpkgs community so far and encourage others to check it out; it hasn't replaced homebrew entirely for me (yet), but it's getting closer every day.

I want to like Nix but those installation instructions for macOS (and their removal friend) are just crazypants as compared to the `sudo mkdir /nix && sudo chown $USER /nix` from the Linux version And that's not even getting into the "waaa?" from `du -hs /nix` although I am open to that being a misleading number due to hardlinks and other trickery that du may not correctly surface

> And that's not even getting into the "waaa?" from `du -hs /nix` although I am open to that being a misleading number due to hardlinks and other trickery that du may not correctly surface

Nope, du counts hardlinks correctly when it encounters the same inode multiple times in the course of fulfilling a single invocation.

per https://ss64.com/osx/du.html :

> Files having multiple hard links are counted (and displayed) a single time per du execution.

Nix's disk usage profile is pretty similar to Flatpak's, or to a collection of closely related Docker containers. The difference between no Nix install and having one isn't huge. But your first installed Nix package will pull in very low level common dependencies— on Linux, everything between whatever application and the kernel (and on macOS, a bit less). Your next application will come with a smaller increase. Once you have a handful of programs installed, you no longer have big downloads for individual additions. When you have a lot installed, the difference isn't that huge, proportionally.

Over time, your Nixpkgs version will rotate and you can end up with deps from old versions of Nixpkgs, which can take up a lot of extra space. But that's easy enough to manage by pinning Nixpkgs.

If you ever uninstall programs, Homebrew's broken uninstallation functionality can very quickly make a Homebrew installation much (up to several times) larger than the equivalent Nix one once you have more than a handful of packages installed.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by sph »

pkulak wrote: post #387
stalfosknight wrote: post #300

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This is exactly the kind of vibe they give off on their Github repo too. They're not the nicest people to interact with.

Well, they have to spend their time propping up an OS built by one of the richest companies in the world for free.

It appears that Sisyphus is unhappy, unless you are telling me they are free to move on, and being a Homebrew maintainer is not an eternal punishment?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by sph »

bastardoperator wrote: post #413
runjake wrote: post #228

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Context? Homebrew is working fine on Sonoma here. I do not get that or a similar message.

Apparently hating on homebrew is super popular right now. I run brew on osx and linux and have zero issues.

No one is talking about issues here.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by sph »

pedalpete wrote: post #422
rpgbr wrote: post #330

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Have you been following Windows 10/11 versions? macOS’ naming scheme is a breeze in comparison.

How do you figure? Windows had 7, 8, skipped 9, 10, 11, and now 12 is coming. Windows thought they'd never do a major update again, and tried to hold on to the 10 label, but then realized that wouldn't work. So 11 is a bit of a branding stumble, but we know, it came after 10.

You are conveniently ignoring any Windows release before 7.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jesterson »

outcoldman wrote: post #194

Have been using macOS Sonoma since DB1, this is probably the most favorite update of the OS that I had in a while: 1. Safari Profiles. I used this browser as my primary browser for a long time, but had to use another browser (Chrome) for work, to be able to separate sessions, etc. Since DB1 I use only Safari. And it works great. 2. Widgets. I have two monitors, and love that in one of them I can see widgets with some…

Would you share what widgets with useful information you have? I found it to be distracting and useless but perhaps missing something

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by lathiat »

pedalpete wrote: post #421
brandonasuncion wrote: post #373

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Also, Android 1.0 Android 1.1 Android Cupcake Android Donut Android Eclair Android Froyo Android Gingerbread Android Honeycomb Android Ice Cream Sandwich Android Jelly Bean Android KitKat Android Lollipop Android Marshmallow Android Nougat Android Oreo Android Pie Android 10 Android 11 Android 12 Android 12L Android 13 Android 14 Android 15

Notice how Android clearly was alphabetical, until they realised people weren't getting that (or got sick of coming up with names of sugary foods), and went back to the number system. Mac has not gone with alphabetical, but seemingly random names related to cats or places in California.

Various projects do the Alphabetical thing. If you're going to have names, it's a great way to do it. OpenStack, Ceph & Ubuntu all do that.

However it's still a challenge. I work with all of those daily and I often think about the project over-all and it's features or bugs in terms of the alphabetical name, but there is also a numerical name and I have to lookup and translate from it - when looking at diagnostic output from customer installs, or git tags, etc. I keep some subset of the translations in my head but not all them :)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by eastbound »

aeyes wrote: post #341
bombcar wrote: post #301

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Somehow on migrating to a new iPhone the music app decided it needed full notification permissions, apparently because a new Taylor swift album is of the same notification level as an incoming missile strike. At least it’s easy enough to turn off.

At least they didn't "gift" you the album like they did with U2

Oh man, I have never loaded music on my phone, so whenever the car starts, it plays the first song on the iPhone. I hate U2! And I hate that they’re receiving money each I do this!
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