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Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by 7speter »

hospitalJail wrote: post #217
nntwozz wrote: post #56

Just want to share these relevant videos from Asianometry: How Semiconductors Ruined East Germany https://youtu.be/cxrkC-pMH_s Why Europe Lost Semiconductors https://youtu.be/5ZdmS-EAbHo Europe’s Lost Decades in Semiconductors https://youtu.be/PpSdytrNEBg It's great to get chip manufacturing back to Germany after all the struggles, even if it's not cutting edge.

I watched a few of their videos, but I felt like it was an anti-china propaganda outlet. I'm def not a fan of the CCP, so I loved watching the videos, but I felt like I was getting brainwashed. Does anyone know how valid/factual their videos are?

If it matters, in an interview he had, he said he thought China would successfully... reunify with Taiwan if it tried, and iirc, that it would happen eventually.

I think a lot of people in the Asian geopolitical theater just really don't like China because they do a lot of crappy things.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

dragonelite wrote: post #438

Like with the Arizona fab question where will they find the skilled workers? Putting up four walls and a roof, with some chip fabbing equipment doesn't make an efficient fabrication location. When you have American TSMC worker complain about long shift hours i imaging it wouldn't be any better in Europe for TSMC. This feels more like TSMC grabbing from subsidies pots where it can hoping this will please the NATO nati…

Dresden is already a major microelectronics hub in Europe (and has been for over 50 years), and Germany traditionally has a good vocational training system. Of course - as everywhere - the German industry always cries about not finding enough skilled workers, but what they actually mean is they don't find enough skilled workers at the wages they want to pay, but "the market will take care of that" ;)

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

somenameforme wrote: post #431
tekla wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

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Ah the good old whataboutism.

Here's some counter-whataboutism: what about the Korean and Vietnam wars (the Soviet Union even sent their own pilots with the jets), and countless other smaller conflicts in Africa? The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc were pumping weapons into those conflicts or have been invading themselves to support "their side". Same with Russia in Syria btw.

At least the free west is upfront and open about the weapon deliveries down to the last helmet:

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/schwerpunkte/krieg-in...

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by flohofwoe »

cpursley wrote: post #276
exceptione wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a bit off-topic, but the Biden admin hasn't done anything like that indeed. In fact, nuclear exchange is self-destruction. No one is stupid enough to do that, even Trump wouldn't be. So parent's remark is off. For chips to be blocked going to Germany doesn't thus require a nuclear exchange. You rather should think of smth like military aggression from China towards Taiwan.

Shooting down the Chinese ballon and arming Ukraine with long range weapons aren't potentially acts of provocation against nuclear powers? Reverse the roles. American ballon. Mexico getting armed against the US by a foreign superpower and sworn enemy. Would the US tolerate those acts?

Right, the US would totally make nuclear threats against Mexico for shooting down a ballon. Not even Trump would be deranged enough for that (well on second thought, maybe he would but nobody would take him serious, just like Medvedev's daily nuclear threat).

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by _kbh_ »

somenameforme wrote: post #431
tekla wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

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> They made some platitudes about really feeling for the people of Iraq, and then started sending massive amounts of supplies, including long ranged weapons, tanks, depleted uranium munitions, countless rounds of cluster bombs (!).

Not sure what the (!) for the cluster bombs is about, both Ukraine and Russia never signed the cluster bomb ban, and both Ukraine and Russia have been using cluster bombs in both this conflict but also since 2014.

This isn't anything new, the only change is that they are now being provided by America, and the American ones appear to fail less.

> Not only were these weapons effective enough to manage to kill tens of thousands of Americans, but some were even being used to carry out irregular attacks in major American cities.

I'm not sure that the provided weapons are being used to carry out any 'irregular' attacks on Russian cities?.

But even if they were, did the Russians really think they could enter this war and bomb cities into dust and never get bombed themselves?.

> That people lack the empathy to see how dangerous the path we're treading is only because the media has spent years creating this absurd dichotomy in the world where the American cause of the week is just and right, whereas the enemy - pure evil. And so in this context people seem to rarely ask themselves whether what we're doing is right or wrong, because how can doing harm to pure evil ever be wrong?

I think its perfectly morally acceptable to arm a country trying to defend itself against an imperialist invader.

I don't think the path that is being tread is in any way shape or form dangerous, why would Russia losing this war be any different to the other wars that both Russia and the Soviet Union lost?.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by somenameforme »

flohofwoe wrote: post #443
somenameforme wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Ah the good old whataboutism. Here's some counter-whataboutism: what about the Korean and Vietnam wars (the Soviet Union even sent their own pilots with the jets), and countless other smaller conflicts in Africa? The Soviet Union and the Eastern Bloc were pumping weapons into those conflicts or have been invading themselves to support "their side". Same with Russia in Syria btw. At least the free west is upfront and…

The main reason that propaganda and dehumanization are such a typical part of war, is that it helps prevent people from considering the weight of their own actions, let alone the perspective of the enemy. What I described is not a whataboutism, it's a hypothetical illustrating exactly what's happening today, except flipping the roles of the participants. Yet of course it feels alien enough that you instinctively want to fight against it - I must be tricking you or engaging in some sort of deceptive rhetorical device. I am not.

Re: TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

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Post by zoobab »

As I predicted, public money of the European Chips Act will flow to the big guys:

https://pr.tsmc.com/english/news/3049

"with the final investment decision pending confirmation of the level of public funding for this project. The project is planned under the framework of the European Chips Act."

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