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Pinterest was certainly the first site I blocked. I've never understood the hate for w3schools. No, it's not MDN, but it's not offensively bad either, and it's been a helpful reference from time to time. If w3schools comes up first in a search, I trust that it probably has the answer to whatever very simple question I must have asked, unlike something like Pinterest, which will just be spam no matter what.
I barely see Pinterest in search results .
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Capitalism is the only reason they exist in the first place. Don't confuse an entire economic system with the unique problems caused by public ownership or investing (i.e. growth at all costs). Plenty of smaller organizations would be quite happy to operate with modest profits for their owners and never scale beyond that point.
> Capitalism is the only reason they exist in the first place. Precisely, which is why enshittification is a when, not an if. A paid search engine will never pick up enough users to survive at $10/mo. It will either be acquired or start throwing in "non-intrusive" ads to balance the books.
Here is a personal guarantee that this will never happen with Kagi while I am in charge.
There are too many ad-supported search engines and browsers out there. I would not waste 10 years of my life to make yet another one. If Kagi can not sustain iteself with memberships, it will be the end of it.
The initial reason I started Kagi was to provide my kids with an opportunity to grow up in an ad-free experience of the web. In this interview [1] I talk more about my motivation.
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> It obviously is attractive to programmers and IT professionals. I would say this is a blessing as it allows us to focus on things that matter to tech-savvy users (Kagi founder here). > I wonder if they are interested in attracting users with more diverse searching requirements, Yes, we are :) > if so, how they would be able to actually reach them Through our family plan [1], most likely. This is how I got my family…
Hi. Would there be any chance of you releasing the index of how many trackers websites have publicly? I remember reading about that somewhere on your site, but you eventually took that offline.
Would you mind posting this as a feature suggestion on kagifeedback.org ? (this is how most ideas for Kagi come to life)
Do they send you a bill at a later date, or are you meant to refill your balance before you can make more searches, or what?
I assume they don't keep your credit card on file and charge you for each individual extra search.
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In general, assume that we pass down the savings to the user whenever we can. Redirecting a bang costs us basically nothing, so it does not count as a search. Also reloading the same search within a short time (~2 minutes, for example coming back in browser after clicking through a search result) does not count as an additional search as we served cached results. Another tip: We have decent documentation (that is als…
> In general, assume that we pass down the savings to the user whenever we can. This is great to hear but it doesn’t really address the point you’re replying to: > Wish that was more clear As someone who is just seriously noticing Kagi because of this HN post, I have no brand impression that tells me you’re trying to pass on the savings (most companies don’t) and the marketing material even makes me think you’re targ…
How exactly does Kagi bill you for going over your monthly limit? Do they send you a bill at a later date, or are you meant to refill your balance before you can make more searches, or what? I assume they don't keep your credit card on file and charge you for each individual extra search.
More info: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/billing.html#billing-set...
One recommendation for Kagi is to also introduce region based pricing. I subscribed, but in my country, the base price is probably too much for most people (that said I doubt the mentality here would increase sales for you so it is not quite a no-brainer).
We mitigated some of the price anxiety by introducing the $5/mo plan, but we are still prioritizing sustainability over growth and will not let have a situation where we are on average losing money per customer (or otherwise eventually there will be no Kagi down the road).
This kinda illustrates how dead easy it would be for google to improve their search engine. There's no way they couldn't figure out a similar list as this and just re-rank things to down prioritize these sites.
I wonder if the Kagi users approved of the publishing of this data, taken from what I assume are their personal settings in Kagi.
And the way the list is done is that it aggregates data anonymously and posts only domains that were acted upon by at least 20 users to preserve privacy.
[1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/1098-a-page-for-a-list-of-sites-t...
This seems like a useful feature, but from looking at the data it suggests a strong bias towards a few disciplines. That makes me wonder whether this is just the marketing so far, or a more fundamental limitation on the market that will actually draw value from Kagi. Does Kagi work as a business if it doesn’t grow to millions of users?
It depends on your definition of "works as business"?
I'd argue that Kagi already works as a business. It has sustainable business model and happy users. Most importantly the business model aligns incentives with those users.
Kagi was never envisioned to be a "Google killer", in fact we use much of Google infrastructure and APIs.
Kagi is made to offer an alternative way to consume the web, that focuses on serving the users instead of advertisers.
For (growing) number of people this is already appealing and I think this will only accelerate when AI search answers become more widespread in classic search engines like Google and Bing, and those start inserting ads in chat answers on a more massive scale.
Since chat answers force you to read chunks of text, and therefore ads in chat answers can not be easilly skipped, ignored or blocked like ads in link based results, this is when a lot of people may have their 'Matrix' moment [1] and realize that information they are being served does not always have their best interest in mind and that itself has a hidden cost.
Will it be enough for them to pay for search? Considering how a lot of people already care about what food they put into their body, extrapolating from this, it is concievable to think that in the future a lot of people will care enough about what information they put into their brains to consider having a search engine (and the web browser!) that work in their best interest being a part of their budget.
So I do not see anything preventing Kagi from growing to million users, apart from our own stupidity and bad decision making. If anything, we have a strong tailwind from the above factors and they do not even account for the enhanced productivity and privacy made possible by aligning incentives in search.