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Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by skydhash »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #434
tempestn wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I would have happily paid them 10 bucks a month in inflation-adjusted 2012 dollars forever if they'd just maintained the apps and kept them up to date. Instead they focused on adding features few people wanted, and then completely rewrote the apps in Electron, resulting in a slow experience that was (and still is, years later) missing multiple core note-taking features, and is increasingly unreliable. I kept…

Electron is the single biggest scourge to end users since Windows ME.

Don't know about ME, but I have many native apps on my Mac, and it's jarring when switching to any electron app. It's always janky.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by seti0Cha »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #434
tempestn wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. I would have happily paid them 10 bucks a month in inflation-adjusted 2012 dollars forever if they'd just maintained the apps and kept them up to date. Instead they focused on adding features few people wanted, and then completely rewrote the apps in Electron, resulting in a slow experience that was (and still is, years later) missing multiple core note-taking features, and is increasingly unreliable. I kept…

Electron is the single biggest scourge to end users since Windows ME.

That was what killed it for me. After they rewrote in Electron, using the app always felt sluggish, and despite the fact that it didn't actually interfere with any of my uses of it, I went from really liking their service to tolerating it as the lesser of several evils.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by midasz »

ComplexSystems wrote: post #430
smarx007 wrote: post #397

My use of Evernote has been replaced with two apps a few years ago when they abandoned native apps: 1. https://obsidian.md/ for all the notes. 2. https://archivebox.io/ for almost all webpage clippings.

Can Obsidian record voice notes?

There's a plugin for that (trademark icon) https://help.obsidian.md/Plugins/Audio+recorder

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by ergonaught »

belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

I was a paying customer for many years. Despite their continuous attempts to turn it into something I didn't need and eventually didn't want because they wouldn't leave it alone, they didn't manage to run me off until last year. That coincided with the acquisition but I honestly no longer recall if that was the final straw, as they'd been increasingly aggravating me for a while.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by EchoReflection »

I've been "trapped" with evernote for a long time because I put more than a decade's worth of stuff into it, and their exporting tools are shit. Literally I "exported" whole notebooks and what I got was just the titles of notes and no content. Ugh. Guess time to just sit down and spend a few hours doing tedious, tedious tasks for a while. Notion and Obsidian are great though.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by seti0Cha »

ghaff wrote: post #419
coldpie wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine not being "satisfied" with a ~85th percentile wage[1]. Anyone who earns more than $150k/yr should be forced to spend 6 months every 5 years working a minimum wage retail job. They can keep earning their normal salary in escrow until they're done with their "get some damn perspective" temp job. [1] https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percen...

I assume someone running a very successful lifestyle business of this sort 1) Probably had a pretty good chance of making nothing at all or even lost money and 2) Could make more money with benefits etc. if they just took a job at a big company. So, yes, they’ve done pretty well but they took a risk and still probably didn’t come close to maximizing comp even they had a rather good outcome. And I just threw out the $…

While I do agree it would be good for those who haven't experienced poverty to get a taste of it, it's not realistic to expect people to feel satisfied simply because they are more fortunate than some other group. Success is always perceived relative to your surroundings and the possibilities available.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by fastball »

msoad wrote: post #405
fastball wrote: post #73

Here is an (incomplete) list[1] of random note-taking apps that you can try if you are leaving Evernotes. Or you can try ours, which is based on Markdown (not open source) and a nested notecard format (not documents). Heavy emphasis on getting out of your way and just letting you write notes, though still with plenty of power if you need it. It has plenty of other cool features[2] and we're prepping for a pretty big…

I never stopped using the Notes app in my Apple computer and phones. I know it lacks a lot of features that typical HN reader thinks is a must-have but the fact that I don't have to worry about feature creep and crazy monetization schemes is a strong enough motives that keeps me on this ecosystem. Plain text FTW!

You also don't need to worry about running it on Windows or Android!

But yes, if you are already locked in to the Apple ecosystem, free and pre-installed can be hard to compete with for a large set of users.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by lifeonlars »

janxgeist wrote: post #204
belthesar wrote: post #79

I feel like Evernote is a prime example of the pains of trying to convert free users to paying users for the same features, something we see in many VC funded software from its era. Once you give something away, it's damn near impossible to take it back, even if you plead your case as honestly as Evernote did. Evernote was great. Honestly, it was worth paying for. But they gave away the farm too early, and folks feel…

For me, it's an example of a company messing up the technical side. I was a happy customer in the beginning. Until I didn't have an important note that I had prepared for a meeting, because it didn't sync to my phone. A few weeks later, it happened again. I lost trust in the app. Then the Android App got worse and worse. It sometimes didn't sync at all. Notes would conflict all the time, and I'd lose work. For some r…

I paid for a subscription because I really liked what it did and I used it a lot. The Android app became so unresponsive that it was basically unusable. I stopped paying when I found myself making notes in email again to avoid opening the treacly app.

It has since got better but I haven't gone back to paying for it, despite using it a lot, and now I'll probably slowly migrate away as they progressively break and disable the free version.

Re: Tell HN: Nearly all of Evernote’s remaining staff has been laid off

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Post by manifest3r »

EchoReflection wrote: post #446

I've been "trapped" with evernote for a long time because I put more than a decade's worth of stuff into it, and their exporting tools are shit. Literally I "exported" whole notebooks and what I got was just the titles of notes and no content. Ugh. Guess time to just sit down and spend a few hours doing tedious, tedious tasks for a while. Notion and Obsidian are great though.

Have you tried Notions Evernote importer? There are also quite a few Evernote to X applications exporters on Github
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