Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

laquadrature.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

441–450 of 553 posts

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#441

Post by 908B64B197 »

nestorD wrote: post #6

The key is that, while there is suspicion (the people arrested have a far left ideology, have been to Syria to fight against the Islamic state, own weapons and encrypt all of their communications), there is no crime nor proof of an intent to commit a crime . These people have been sent to prison because they are suspicious, not because of an action they have done (something made possible as a special case of an older…

> That is a slippery slope.

It's par for the course in a country that bans paternity testing (to "protect the 'unity' of families"! ) [0]

[0] https://idtodna.com/paternity-test-in-france/

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#442

Post by JustBreath »

skitout wrote: post #234
cm2187 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have not been dissolved because they left their phone at home, they have been dissolved because it was a violent organisation that was systematically attacking the police and destroying property. And given the sort of stuff they brought to their protests: swords, machettes, baseball bats, jerrycan, bricks, fireworks, petanque balls, Molotov cocktails, fire bombs, etc, it is particularly disingenuous to pretend t…

They indeed sometimes destroyed some properties But you cannot blame them for the violence in the protest they co-organized. People are free to attend the protest, and they cannot control them. They never called for violence against police. And most protest now in France have some people fighting with the police. The same way you can see firefighters throwing stuff (including petanque ball) to police during firefighe…

[flagged]

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#443

Post by [deleted] »

Namari wrote: post #379
ohgodplsno wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Impressive mix of lies. The total value of items destroyed has been estimated to be about 8 million by the French state. While not a small number, I haven't seen the antiterrorist police be sent to the FNSEA's headquarters for their history of violence and destruction ever since 1960. It is part of their methods ever since their inception, but greasing some palms high up in the government certainly helps. >And given…

> Violence. Is. Caused. By. The. Police. None of these, not a single one of these items were used until the police started indiscriminately tear gassing thousands of protesters, the vast majority of them peaceful. Five thousand grenades and weapons classified as war weapons used on protesters. It's obvious violence must have existed from both side. It's a bit obvious you're from the far left, just be neutral.

[deleted]

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#444

Post by lm28469 »

gbear605 wrote: post #432
lm28469 wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm French, I know the foreign legion, we accept foreigners in our army, it doesn't mean we accept our own citizen to fight for foreign parties, especially non state armies, they're not mutually exclusive, there is no logical connection between your two statements

From a moral viewpoint, letting someone of your country join another country’s foreign legion is identical to letting someone of another country join your foreign legion. If you say that joining a different group to fight ISIS is not okay while joining France to fight France’s enemies is okay, then you’re saying that ISIS is a better group in the world than France’s enemies.

> If you say that joining a different group to fight ISIS

Like joining the Taliban ?

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#446

Post by prmoustache »

nolok wrote: post #183
yohannparis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everybody that want a 6th republic are supporters of Melanchon's party. We have to be careful about this kind of amalgamation.

Given that out of the dozen or so "main political parties" he is the only one who wants that, and that when asked about their priorities for the change of France no group of frenchmen put that in their top 5 besides voters of LFI ... You're absolutely right that there are definitely some people who want a 6th republic but do not vote or agree with LFI, but for the sake of generalized conversation like we're having no…

I was thinking that we needed a 6th republic well decades before Melenchon was known and I think he is a dangerous person.

I am probably not the only one.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#447

Post by qsdf38100 »

skitout wrote: post #324
qsdf38100 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Not sure what Melenchon is doing in its list as one of it core element of its political platform is to have a new constitution with less power to the president, more counter powers, more power "to the people"

Just google Melenchon and Bolivarian alliance. Melenchon dreams of making France be part of an alliance with Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, to name a few, with Iran and Russia as observer members. Sounds like he loves "democracy". He also had some crazy outbursts, screaming things like, "I AM THE REPUBLIC", on camera, that would have ended any other politician career. But he gets a pass, somehow.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#448

Post by GuB-42 »

An important detail is that the state has been condemned for that.

This goes to show that France is not a totalitarian regime. The government fucked up, justice, as an independent power punished it and the illegally detained suspect is now free. The whole story is freely reported by French media.

So is it bad: yes. Is it tolerated and are dissenters being silenced: no.

For the rest, we will have to wait until the trial, but if the accusers don't have anything better than the use of Signal and uBlock, it probably won't end well for them, even if they represent the government.

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#449

Post by qsdf38100 »

HourglassFR wrote: post #311
qsdf38100 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

> You are attacking the wrong target. You are missing the big picture. This is rich comming from someone putting Melenchon, basically an old school socialist (in the werstern Europe sense), in the same bag as Le Pen and Zemmour who are as far-right as it gets in Europe. I agree that the situation is not very readable, but at least let's try to have a point of view consistent with the political history of the last few…

Yet there are lot of striking similarities. Lying, distorting reality to the absurd, openly supporting dictators, smoke-screen tactics, obstruction, inversion of reality, accusing others of things they are guilty. "Macron is a wanabee dictator!!".

In February 2022, Zemour, MLP and Mélenchon were all supporting Putin, his stance against the "evil US", saying that Putin would never invade Ukraine, that it was all US propaganda being spoon-fed to Europe. Then the invasion happened. Then they blamed the invasion on US, of course, and questioned the reports of war crimes, and justified Russia invasion by saying it was defending against "NATO aggression". But then, when Russia started to loose, they became "pacifists", saying NATO was prolonging the war by helping Ukraine...

If they were Russian assets, they wouldn't behave much differently, would they?

Same smell on both sides of the political spectrum. Who would have thought? Crazy, right? Like, imagine if far-right Hitler made a secret pact with the communist Soviet Union. Sounds familiar?

Re: French govt. says users of uBlock Origin, Signal etc. are potential terrorists

#450

Post by qsdf38100 »

wholinator2 wrote: post #319
qsdf38100 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

And you are arguing with fallacies and emotion. Asking broad question to bring emotion without actually backing that up factually. Straw manning the others argument by reducing it to dislike of physical appearance, or simply directed stupidity. And then making vague assertions that they are "missing the big picture". Please, friend, instead of attacking the man you should attack the argument. Give us the why to all o…

I agree my tone is inappropriate. I just can't help it, when it's about completely missing the big picture, blaming the wrong persons, and falling into fascist-like tactics and traps.

Here's a copy paste of my other comments, I hope it gives some elements of answer:

1. Just google Melenchon and Bolivarian alliance. Melenchon dreams of making France be part of an alliance with Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, to name a few, with Iran and Russia as observer members. Sounds like he loves "democracy". He also had some crazy outbursts, screaming things like, "I AM THE REPUBLIC", on camera, that would have ended any other politician career. But he gets a pass, somehow.

2. In February 2022, Zemour, MLP and Mélenchon were all supporting Putin, his stance against the "evil US", saying that Putin would never invade Ukraine, that it was all US propaganda being spoon-fed to Europe. Then the invasion happened. Then they blamed the invasion on US, of course, and questioned the reports of war crimes, and justified Russia invasion by saying it was defending against "NATO aggression". But then, when Russia started to loose, they became "pacifists", saying NATO was prolonging the war by helping Ukraine...

If they were Russian assets, they wouldn't behave much differently, would they?

Same smell on both sides of the political spectrum. Who would have thought? Crazy, right? Like, imagine if far-right Hitler made a secret pact with the communist Soviet Union. Sounds familiar?

Post reply on HN