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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by burnished »

ethbr0 wrote: post #325
ahepp wrote: post #196

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This is what I don’t understand about the claims that any next generation of mods would be incapable of doing the job. I think it will be exactly like the current status quo. You see subreddit and mod drama happening all the time. So many people want to moderate a local subreddit for Seattle that we have at least three different ones. The mod teams for each all have strong (and different) political views. But the thr…

Inquiring minds (and a future resident) need to know -- which Seattle subreddit is the best? Or at least, what are the flavors?

The Seattle subreddit is pretty calm. That community expresses a lot of stereotypical 'I vote democrat' values.

The SeattleWA subreddit is pretty angry. That community expresses a lot of stereotypical 'I vote republican values'.

I prefer the Seattle reddit but don't much like either. The Seattle subreddit can have too much holier than thou sniping for points for my taste. Its the kind of place where if you expressed some doubt about this 'defund the police' thing you've heard about you might get some thoughtful responses and you might also get a breathless history lesson that accuses you of supporting chattel slavery. The SeattleWA subreddit is too full of violence for me - many posts are about violent crime, conversations about street people frequently have people fantasizing about using violence to resolve the issue. Its the kind of place where a post asking what post-covid seattle is like mostly has people expressing contempt for masking policies in the abstract and deriding people they have seen wearing a mask, a few folk addressing the question, and one person who has been around long enough to compare it to the recession in the 80's (which I thought was neat enough to mention).

I don't know of a third, but those two are different enough that I think even a casual inspection of both will give you an idea of which you might prefer.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by fluidcruft »

parrellel wrote: post #437
fluidcruft wrote: post #436

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I haven't deleted anything recently. Delete not working temporarily could just be denial of service or the scripts may not work anymore. Reddit made it a lot more difficult for autodelete scripts a while ago, it's not something new or some recent intervention.

Are the posts you deleted currently still deleted? Were they deleted within the last 5ish years?

Yes. And yes. In fact I remembered a post I deleted two weeks ago and it's still gone.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by throw16180339 »

arecurrence wrote: post #97

In my experience, whenever volunteer mod positions open, there is a near infinite supply of people that want those roles. For whatever reasons, people want it and those that have it typically seek to hold onto it. It's borderline inexplicable to me. How could someone want this in the first place and how could they be willing to do it in a volunteer capacity?

> It's borderline inexplicable to me. How could someone want this in the first place and how could they be willing to do it in a volunteer capacity?

I wasn't sure what it was going to be like when I was invited. It's not fun telling people to behave, but I've found a lot of personal satisfaction in coding moderation tasks and working with the team. There are whole classes of work that I've automated away and it's easy to deploy improvements.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by throw16180339 »

ramesh31 wrote: post #118
LordDragonfang wrote: post #67

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>There is massive friction to being able to post anywhere. Reddit would be objectively better with a less heavy handed approach to moderation Whenever I see this sentiment I'm honestly stumped as to how anyone's experience can be so different from mine. What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly al…

>What exactly is it that you're trying to post that's so difficult? because from what I see in nearly every sub, they'd be improved by more moderation, since nearly all of them get stuffed with off-topic and low-effort content, often actively breaking the community rules in the sidebar. That's the problem, it can be anything . No, I'm not going to sit down and read every single bullet point of your specific subreddit…

> So long as a post is on topic and not abusive or threatening, there is zero reason to remove it. But Reddit has become a place where mods curate their userbase into a nightmarish echo chamber, quash all dissent, and then use it as a bullhorn for their own ideologies.

Ideology has nothing to do with it. The post could be flamebait, have a bad title such as "Give me recs", a clickbait title such as "Does anyone else hate Popular Thing", be easily satisfied by searching the subreddit, etc.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by parrellel »

fluidcruft wrote: post #442
parrellel wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the posts you deleted currently still deleted? Were they deleted within the last 5ish years?

Yes. And yes. In fact I remembered a post I deleted two weeks ago and it's still gone.

Ok, so it's definitely more complicated then a global flag change. I killed my posts manually and they were gone for at least a day and a half. So, undo deleted posts on any account that axed at least N posts in the last week? Something like that?

Well, if the posts come back again, I guess I'll just get in an edit war with them. Disgusting behavior.

Thanks for the data point!

EDIT: Huh, so now about a dozen have come back. I wonder if they'll trickle back in, and what the thresholds are...

I'm going to have to clear the account in batches of five or something aren't I.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by sangnoir »

ipaddr wrote: post #439
sangnoir wrote: post #172

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> Different subs have different rules and different formats on what they expect This is a core feature that distinguishes Reddit as a "Community of communities". It's not a bug, it's a feature

It's false barriers that setup this tribal mentality where you think you have ownership in a community that someone else owns. Many are discovering this week that their ownership is fleeting

It wouldn't be the first time in history that stewards attempted a popular revolt against the real power

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by munificent »

cactus2093 wrote: post #388
munificent wrote: post #288

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> When you're working for yourself doing what you want, when you want, you don't mind not getting paid for it. When a boss is telling you want to do and when to do it, you expect to get paid. Reddit is making itself the boss of the mods. This is spot on. Reddit's success relies entirely on the intrinsic motivation of moderators. That intrinsic motivation in turn is derived from the feeling of building something of lo…

> create a space where a community of people you care about can thrive > the reward could evaporate at any moment Wait a minute, is the reward the fact that the community exists? That's not going to evaporate overnight when Reddit replaces a mod. The fear of your reward evaporating sounds a lot more like this work is driven by ego and the desire for control.

Would you want to clean your whole house and throw a party if you knew you might get kicked out before the party was over?

It's basic human nature to want acknowledgement for going something good.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by stefantalpalaru »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by anigbrowl »

mardifoufs wrote: post #423
anigbrowl wrote: post #134

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Landlordism is a parasitical economic strategy.

I don't like mods either but parasites? I mean sure they act like the communities they mod belong to them but that's a bit much!

I'm referring to the owners of the company, or rather their executive proxies.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by ahahahahah »

spicymapotofu wrote: post #117
ahahahahah wrote: post #87

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That is (1) not true and (2) meaningless given most of those polls were brigaded by a small set of vocal whiny users voting in subreddits they aren't even involved in (3) even given both if those, I doubt you can find a poll for a large subreddit that shows even 10% of users supporting a blackout.

So, can you show how most polls were brigaded?

Eh, I gave you the clear out under #3 where you could show that these blackouts were really the will of the people. You haven't done that, if your strongest argument is about "oh, prove there was brigading", I think we're at the point where, at best for you, any polls are basically just meaningless (if they were meaningful you could use them under point #3 to refute me).
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