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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by GeekyBear »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #40
GeekyBear wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's priced just like Microsoft's Hololens and aimed at the same target audience that the first version of Hololens was: developers and early adopters. The cheaper mass market consumer version comes later. They've been iterating for years now on something in a thick framed glasses form factor, and haven't gotten anything they think is worth shipping so far. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-glasses

But HoloLens has pretty much entirely abandoned the consumer market and is now targeting the lucrative segment of professional usage where there is obvious gain to me made using AR, a segment Apple has always been mostly uninterested in.

Hololens 2 attempted to target factory workers, but given that Microsoft has laid off the Hololens team, it looks like they have given up.

>Microsoft’s HoloLens 2: a $3,500 mixed reality headset for the factory, not the living room

https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/24/18235460/microsoft-holole...

> Microsoft has laid off entire teams behind Virtual, Mixed Reality, and HoloLens

https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft/microsoft-has-laid-...

I'm sure Apple's habit of iterating on and improving a new platform year after year without giving up would have served them better.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by b_t_s »

happymellon wrote: post #217
ttul wrote: post #191

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I will buy it for my entire team just for the video conferencing - assuming it is actually as good as promised, of course. Anything beyond that is gravy.

I can't imagine how it could possibly be any good for video conferencing. Why don't they just have an iPad and digital avatars? Then you don't need to strap goggles to your head for an identical experience.

Video conferencing is probably the #1 time I just don't have nearly enough screen space. I'm always switching back and forth between dev tools, chat, whatever's being presented, other video chat participants. Would be great to be able to fit all that in front of me where I can switch with a glance.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by dmarcos »

asimpletune wrote: post #241
theodric wrote: post #122

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Yeah I can't wait to spend €11000 so my family can strap a screen to each of our faces and watch movies like that rather than staring at a dumb old TV like some kinda poor people

Probably, in person, for the foreseeable future you'll just watch a movie IRL when people are in the same room, and that's fine and I like that. What this will allow is for you to watch a movie with your friends remotely in a way that is compelling. My gf and I were long distance for a few months. It was really hard, but being able to video chat every day really helped. Unfortunately, anything beyond that was difficu…

Have you tried Bigscreen VR? State of the art to watch a movie together in VR

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by rchaud »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The game console industry shows that even having a killer app isn't enough to avoid selling hardware at a loss and making it up with ecosystem rent.

This has no killer app and is being sold at full price.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by amoss »

projektfu wrote: post #288
amoss wrote: post #254

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Could you expand on your numbers a little? Assuming 4k resolution per eye and 120 degree FoV would give 3840*2/120 = 64 ppd. Using the link that you gave a 4k screen at 60cm is 73 ppd, so it is reasonably close. Apple haven't said what the FoV is yet, so I'm guessing 120 based on the pi-max and an early impressions video from mkbd. The horizontal range isn't clear either: 23 megapixels would be about three 4k screens…

With stereoscopic displays you don't get to multiply by 2, so your calculation is 32pp°. If you think about a monitor in front, each pixel is seen by both eyes, but the headset is giving one 4k display to each eye.

It depends on the amount of binocular overlap: https://www.roadtovr.com/understanding-binocular-overlap-and...

The correct number is somewhere between a multiplier of 1 and 2 depending on the setup of the display. But 2x 4k screens is only 16 megapixels, and so it also depends on where the other 7 megapixels are.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by artimaeis »

dandellion wrote: post #338
akmarinov wrote: post #125

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You say you don’t expect anything groundbreaking and then compare it with arguably the most groundbreaking product ever

If you make a list of groundbreaking products that would include the light bulb, the bicycle, the refrigerator, the radio, the car, printed books, the newspaper, the TV, personal computers, mobile phones... The iPhone is great, but I doubt it could even make it to the top ten.

I feel like comparing categories of products to an individual make of product is a bit unfair.

Like, of course the car was a world-changing invention. And Ford's original model T remains a significant point of the history of automobiles.

The smartphone was certainly a world-changing invention, and it seems the iPhone was just as historically significant to it as a technology. I don't think the LG Prada is going to be so thoroughly remembered by history.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by rchaud »

ttul wrote: post #211
PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

The first iPhone was pretty crappy. No apps. 2G only. Poor battery life. Limited global distribution - not even Canada could get it. But it captivated people who didn’t own it yet, and it proved out some essential ideas like multitouch. And when the iPhone 3G came out, improving on some of the original device’s shortcomings, it was wildly popular. The rest is history. There is no doubt that AR will eventually get goo…

Apple cut the price of IPhone 2G by 33%, and got AT&T to subsidize handsets for $200. It was dead in the water before then.

Even if Apple made a similar price cut here, the device would still cost over $2000.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by tambourine_man »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

I think this will be one of those “iPod, less storage than a Nomad, lame” comments in a few years, but I guess we'll see.

I'd love to work comfortably lying in a hammock, couch or bed. The monitor part is solved, it seems, I just need one of those split keyboards where each half attaches to one hand.

I'd also love to feel like I'm in a colossal movie theater without all the viruses, noise and popcorn from other people.

I'll pay good money for either.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by mickdarling »

PostOnce wrote: post #72

I don't understand why there is no AR or VR killer app for this thing. Their sales pitch was "it makes it amazing to read articles in safari"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E&t=5410s $3500 to... look at a floating web browser? Surely they can come up with something. Give me UV/IR vision, let me see the pipes under the ground, show me how to assemble the furniture I'm looking at, give me a template to pain…

None of the Apple apps they showed for the VisionPro had any substantial photogrammetry mapping. They didn’t paste virtual TVs to the walls, or place furniture into an empty room. All the Apple apps were contained to virtual floating screens, even the keyboard (instead of placing in on a surface).

They did show a few third party apps interacting with real world objects (the train moving on a table) but I wonder what amount of that was concept and what was real.

Connecting the virtual objects to those in the real world I feel is a killer feature that will open up a huge set of opportunities. If this doesn’t have that yet, it’s still more VR than AR in my book.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by portpecos »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #337

This thing reminds me of the Segway. 1. Seems quite cool in the demo but dorky in the real world. 2. Solves a problem no one really has. 3. Costs 10x more than most people are willing to spend. 4. Actual use case: Mall cops and tourists. 5. Some rich fanboy will buy out the entire inventory, use it outdoors, and fall off a cliff.

If augmented reality can provide me with step-by-step guidance on diagnosing and fixing a car leak, replacing a diverter valve on a faucet, installing roof-customized solar panels, and various other DIY tasks, while also showing me the necessary tools, then I would be inclined to purchase this product. I'm growing weary of watching YouTube videos for car repairs and struggling to align the locations of bolts or parts with my own vehicle.

The concept of augmented reality also appeals to me when it comes to recipes. I've been considering investing in a Thermomix device, which costs around $1500, because I appreciate the convenience of their on-screen guided instructions rather than attempting to figure out the correct temperature, cooking time, slice size. If augmented reality can guide me through cooking two or three dishes simultaneously, that would be a very convenient time saver. For example, while the onions are sautéing for 5 mins, the software knows that I have enough time to prepare a 2nd dish like chopping romaine leaves for a salad. I’d end my subscription to Soylent pretty quick for something like that.

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