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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by qup »

Grazester wrote: post #409
gnicholas wrote: post #55

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People would keep them longer if they don't have to do fairly expensive preventative maintenance on belts, transmission, etc. There is of course the battery to worry about, and it remains to be seen how this will play out over decades.

Expensive maintenance in belts and transmissions? As in changing a belt and fluid? That should cost $300 tops for both. One done every 100k miles the other 50-100(Toyota recommends changing the fluid at that 90k intervals but it's preventative for me). Depending on the car(my Toyota) you can do both yourself on a Saturday evening for about $100

Maybe the people are just too lazy to maintenance their vehicles. I'm going to be honest, I know maybe 500 people that I see regularly and know by name, and I bet about 9 of them have ever changed or thought about changing their transmission fluid.

I know ~6 mechanics.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by jononomo »

mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

My dream car is a minivan -- it is literally the most practical kind of vehicle I can think of, so that is what I fantasize about getting. Why are you so impressed that the model Y is not a minivan?

Wouldn't any car just be better if it were a minivan?

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Post by rvz »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #209
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> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

> I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. Hi! I'm an actual Tesla owner. My Model X is approaching 3 years old. It is the worst car I have ever owned. Almost everything that can break on it, has broken. I would care much less if Tesla would actually try to fix it when you take it in for service (as mine has been for a total of weeks ), instead they lie and say things like "that's nor…

A very happy customer. Thank you for your testimonial.

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Post by cjrp »

resolutebat wrote: post #318
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feels much more spacious thanks to the glass roof. My Polestar 2 has a glass roof too. I think it's part of the "plus" pack?

The Polestar 2 glass roof is a little glass pane cut into the roof that costs $5000 extra. On the Model 3/Y, the entire roof is glass.

Looks pretty big https://www.polestar.com/au/polestar-2/panoramic-roof/

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

mschuster91 wrote: post #431
camillomiller wrote: post #341

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Well the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place. Not joking, look it up!

How the fuck is that even road legal?

because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that's just a detail.

It's possible to get _better_ visibility from a camera than a mirror. e.g. good placement, adapting to low light.

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Post by gruturo »

neuronic wrote: post #339
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1. Source? 2. Toyota is behind. Check what the Chinese and Germans are doing. Though you can't really do that since most of those cars aren't sold in the US.

German here. Cars are one hallmark of our economy. We are behind as well. The Chinese are absolutely crushing it in Asia and Middle East now. Volkswagen had a market share of ICE cars of ~20%, for EVs it's now closer to 1%. EVs are way easier to build and a lot of Chinese companies are doing it successfully. They are offering cheaper EVs. They are selling in Mideast/Asia and now start to enter Europe as well. None of…

(EU customer here - this colors my impressions also due to different models availability compared to the US or other markets)

The specs and price gap between a Renault Zoe (Inexpensive, with consequently low acceleration, top speed, handling and range, but absolutely a joy to use in a city or on short trips - perfect balance of price/specs) and a Tesla M3/MY is quite wide and should allow some other manufacturers to wedge themselves into a rather popular segment, with profit.

And yet... there's hardly anything better than a Zoe, they immediately approach or pass the price of a Tesla (looking at you Volkswagen, Cupra, Audi, Mercedes, etc) while being worse by an impressive margin (paltry top speeds, uncomfortable ranges, rather primitive features, etc). You start getting cars something favorably comparable with a baseline Tesla M3 RWD when you add a good 20k to its price, it's ridiculous. And apparently they're hardly breaking even on those, while Tesla has a decent profit margin, what's wrong with them?

I'm also hoping China and Korea will upend this market because established EU/US manufacturers surely won't.

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

gambiting wrote: post #418
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> Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers. That's the trick, people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. As a live in an apartment myself I wasn't aware of that fact at the beginning, I kept asking myself: "how am I supposed to charge my car if I'm living on the 8th floor?". Turns out I was looking at the whole thing through the wrong lenses. What's really per…

>>people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. That's such a weird thing to say. What do you mean not supposed to own? For healthy young people - ok, fine, fair enough. How about the disabled? The old and frail? People with kids? People who drive for work? Where are the above meant to park and charge? And please don't say these usecases are going to be replaced with au…

> That's such a weird thing to say. What do you mean not supposed to own?

disincentives work the same way of incentives, but in the opposite direction.

EVs are an hassle to own if you live in a dense urban area, like those you can find in many European cities. I predict many people will give up on owning a car when confronted with the drawbacks.

> like disabled people who need specially adapted cars

disabled people have reserved parking spots, that will eventually be equipped with an EV charger

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

camillomiller wrote: post #341
fps-hero wrote: post #335

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I test drove a Polestar 2, what are these car designers thinking with rear view visibility! The between the rear headrests and huge slanted C-pillars you had a tiny sheet of paper sized opening to see out. I honestly thought the mirrors were adjusted wrong and were looking at the roof. Couple that with a half-baked 360 reversing camera that turned every obstacle into a trapezoidal blur, reversing parking that car bet…

Well the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place. Not joking, look it up!

This is the Polestar 4 without the actual rear window https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear...

Aside, IDK if the Polestar 4 is "the new Polestar".

The Polestar 2 is on the roads - I've seen them, and the 3 hasn't even shipped yet, now due in 2024: https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-pr...

What does that make the 4? The one after the new one? The vapourware?

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Post by kjksf »

mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

The talking point about Tesla reliability is outdated.

Model 3 was one of the most reliable cars in Germany in 2022.

"Germany’s ADAC, which is the largest automobile club in Europe, published the results of its latest reliability study, which analyzes vehicle breakdowns and their causes in 2022, and the Tesla Model 3 ranked at the top of the chart."

https://insideevs.com/news/667690/tesla-model-3-reliability-...

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