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My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by phkahler »

nologic01 wrote: post #385

In the future there won't be any technical debt. You were lucky to live early. Code, most code, will eventually turn into some sort of sanitised applied maths corpus (with a heavy overlay of "AI" analytical tools). In applied mathematics you have cultural obsolescence (stuff that we no longer find interesting or relevant, like an asymptotic formula for the Airy function [0]) but the corpus is intrinsically add-only.…

>> Code, most code, will eventually turn into some sort of sanitised applied maths corpus >> Think about code development in such as mature state.

I agree with you. That end state is of course all open source. Anyone not working toward that state is making money (understandably) as the higher priority.

I'm still not sure why businesses do so much proprietary customization as opposed to working in an upstream OSS project. I suppose the OSS foundation in those cases isn't solid enough yet.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by stcroixx »

klibertp wrote: post #281
josephg wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And most devs hating on Java are using an IDE written mainly in Java (all the JetBrains ones): the irony of that one gives me the giggles. Guilty as charged! I hate using Java because everything written in java seems to blend into the same indistinguishable swamp of classes with meaningless names, full of methods that constantly find new and interesting ways to obscure what your program is actually trying to do. De…

Does anybody know where I can find a good, substantiated, critique of the common Java coding patterns, including on Android? This niche is such a huge mess that simply documenting all the bad things in a single codebase (along with explanation why they're bad) took me a month. It's tiring and mentally draining to do this: every other line of code you read makes you go "Why. Please, just tell me why anybody could ever…

Don’t bother. Your preferred style will go out of fashion just like the previous ones all have. Chasing this is low value busy work.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by akavi »

FpUser wrote: post #403
josephg wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And most devs hating on Java are using an IDE written mainly in Java (all the JetBrains ones): the irony of that one gives me the giggles. Guilty as charged! I hate using Java because everything written in java seems to blend into the same indistinguishable swamp of classes with meaningless names, full of methods that constantly find new and interesting ways to obscure what your program is actually trying to do. De…

>"It seems like there's a lot of people in the Java community who still think OO is a great idea." Java is not the only language in existence and the OO is a great idea as well as many other paradigms when not being overused. Problem is with the programmers who learn one language / paradigm and would fight tooth and nails to solve all world problems with it no matter how poor for particular case.

Objects are a useful idea. Object Orientation is a terrible, terrible idea.

Functions + data (immutable when practical) is all you need for 90%+ of programming, and you should only reach for objects when necessary to manage some well-encapsulated but tricky state. Your default orientation should certainly not be towards objects.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by pkphilip »

ilyt wrote: post #216
TacticalCoder wrote: post #153

> My entire career is now technical debt, or the code has been deprecated. My fellow dev often laugh when I tell them that instead of looking at all the long dead techs that are not useful to me anymore, my way to feel good is to look back at all the long dead techs that I didn't bother to learn . And, geez, is the graveyard huge. > Java Applets were also a big thing once upon a time. They were slow, and having the c…

> And most devs hating on Java are using an IDE written mainly in Java (all the JetBrains ones): the irony of that one gives me the giggles. The IDE that's written in Java most likely shares nothing with Java ecosystem parts they "hate" (I'm guessing all of the EJB, applets an general 90's Java enterprise stuff). Only irony here is you thinking it is. The 90's Java was a thing to hate. Running fat complex app server…

For the past several years, the Java enterprise development is very, very easy compared to the mess that is node.js nonsense. And if you are not happy with the JEE environment, you can continue to use frameworks like micronaut, quarkus etc.

For instance, in Quarkus, you can have a full REST application in about 12MB of RAM and running on the Graalvm.

In Spring (often looked at a heavy framework), this is the code required to write a full REST endpoint:

@SpringBootApplication @RestController public class DemoApplication {

@GetMapping("/helloworld") public String hello() { return"Hello World!"; } }

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by pkphilip »

Xenoamorphous wrote: post #377
watwut wrote: post #299

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> The IDE that's written in Java most likely shares nothing with Java ecosystem parts they "hate" Most vocal java haters I had met were JavaScript programmers who knew basically nothing about Java. Their hate was purely cultural - they learned on discussion forums that they should hate java. But, they had literally zero knowledge whatsoever.

It’s funny but a lot of JS haters are Java devs. Which also don’t know a thing about JS, or at least think JS looks like in the 90s, with callback hells and whatnot.

I know both Javascript as well as Java. Java trumps JS by a mile

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by AlwaysRock »

> Ruby on Rails is in jeopardy of being added to this list. It has fallen out of favor, and it is tough to find developers for it.

Ruby is the 8th most popular programming language. Ahead of C, C#, and a bunch of "cool" languages like Scala, Kotlin, and Rust.

Source: https://madnight.github.io/githut/#/pull_requests/2023/1

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by pkphilip »

mathgladiator wrote: post #395
TacticalCoder wrote: post #153

> My entire career is now technical debt, or the code has been deprecated. My fellow dev often laugh when I tell them that instead of looking at all the long dead techs that are not useful to me anymore, my way to feel good is to look back at all the long dead techs that I didn't bother to learn . And, geez, is the graveyard huge. > Java Applets were also a big thing once upon a time. They were slow, and having the c…

> long dead techs that I didn't bother to learn. this is how I currently feel about Kubernetes and docker. I'm having all sorts of fun with the JVM, a monolithic jar, and about 20 lines of shell script. I can deploy in 20 seconds without much fuss.

Absolutely. Java development is ridiculously easy compared to many of the alternatives.. in some senses, it is actually even easier to develop in than PHP especially since Java is statically compiled.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by AlwaysRock »

Kinda a weird article to be honest. It seems less like the author is annoyed at having to learn new languages or that their language specific knowledge because less useful as time goes on, and more that they are frustrated their code doesnt live on forever.

I guess I don't particularly care if my code lives on or not. I build something. It's hopefully useful for others or myself for some period of time, then its gone.

It's just lines I've written. Why would that be more important than other lines I've written? In other careers I never thought about how my work was eventually going to be forgotten. That's just how life goes.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by _ea1k »

itronitron wrote: post #259
tibbydudeza wrote: post #240

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"Anyone who writes class names like FactoryBuilderFactoryImpl and claims to walk in the light is at best a scoundrel, and at worst a follower of a religion so dark we don't name it in polite company." Awesome quote ... LOL.

Nobody writes FactoryBuilderFactoryImpl as a class name, they define an XML schema and then use a code generator to create the source files... 1/2 /s

That was the old way. Now we ask ChatGPT to generate it for us.

Re: My 20 year career is technical debt or deprecated

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Post by _ea1k »

ilyt wrote: post #216
TacticalCoder wrote: post #153

> My entire career is now technical debt, or the code has been deprecated. My fellow dev often laugh when I tell them that instead of looking at all the long dead techs that are not useful to me anymore, my way to feel good is to look back at all the long dead techs that I didn't bother to learn . And, geez, is the graveyard huge. > Java Applets were also a big thing once upon a time. They were slow, and having the c…

> And most devs hating on Java are using an IDE written mainly in Java (all the JetBrains ones): the irony of that one gives me the giggles. The IDE that's written in Java most likely shares nothing with Java ecosystem parts they "hate" (I'm guessing all of the EJB, applets an general 90's Java enterprise stuff). Only irony here is you thinking it is. The 90's Java was a thing to hate. Running fat complex app server…

> The IDE that's written in Java most likely shares nothing with Java ecosystem parts they "hate"

IDK, I think the irony is you thinking IDEs wouldn't use those patterns. I bet you'll find tons of weird interfaces and abstractions in IntelliJ. It is a huge and complicated code base.

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