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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#442The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...
That leaves 50% in the unknown category. Who knows whether those other 50% have the same distribution as the knowns? It's also possible that most of the unknowns are stranger murders since the offender might be harder to identify in those cases. So, the ratio is somewhere between 10% stranger to 90% family and acquaintance and 60% stranger to 40% family and acquaintance.
I assume gang related violence kinda skews the concept of the victims and perpetrators knowing each other.
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#443This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…
The Internet has made it virtually impossible for people to say "I just don't know yet." Everyone feels like if they don't immediately come to a conclusion they're like left out or something.
I saw this most extremely during COVID, and I usually hate "both side-ing" things, but I did see this pretty extremely on both sides. "MASKS DON'T WORK!!", "YES THEY DO!!", "IT WAS A LAB LEAK!!", "IT WAS ANIMALS FROM THE WET MARKET!!", "KIDS ARE FINE!!", "KIDS ARE AT SERIOUS RISK!!". It's like at some point I just wanted to scream "Maybe we just don't know yet."
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#444https://www.linkedin.com/in/nmomeni
I've never seen a comment on HN redacted before. What does this mean?
Mods sometimes put "[redacted]" in a comment when we're taking out personally identifiable information, such as doxing or when a user asks us to edit out their name or email address after the fact.
In this case the GP contained a link to the suspect's linkedin page.
Edit: after thinking about it, I think we probably don't need to redact. If it were a random person caught up in the story it would be different, but once a person has been arrested for a crime they arguably become a public figure, even though innocent-until-proven-guilty is fortunately a thing.
It's a borderline case and I'm not sure, but anyway have restored the original comment for now.
Edit 2: plus the same link appears in the article itself.
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#445When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…
>Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go, and you still complain when they dare to pop up where you are. I hope all that authenticity and exposed brick in your offices and apartments are worth it.
I'm curious who you think you're referring to when you make a statement like this. (Hint: You're probably wrong).
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#446When I moved to SF in 1996, the murder count that year was 86. Last year it was 56. I haven't been back in a very long time, but I guarantee you it's a far safer city than it was back then. I lived on Market between 6th and 7th and had knives pulled on me, and watched a car get blown up across the street underneath Hollywood Billiards, which is long gone now - according to Google Maps, they're building new apartments…
> Y'all colonized the poorest parts of the city and gave the poorest folks nowhere to go I think part of this is not realizing that a lot of the locals (the previous colonizers) are part of the problem. I can guarantee that the colonizers would love for more housing to be built in SF because they don't want to pay $2m for a 2bd townhouse either. A huge portion of the SF "colonizer" demographic can't even fucking vote…
People love to invent boogiemen where they dehumaize groups of people as uncaring caricatures. It's much easier than confronting the hard problems and feels good.
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except the alleged perpetrator doesn’t live job SF, so your argument falls apart. They’re from Emeryville.
Look all I'm saying is that maybe instead of assuming the problems in the streets of SF are caused by degenerate hobos that maybe, just maybe, they're caused by degenerate tech bros. Like who has the real power in this situation? the hobos or the techbros? I don't expect hobos to be able to fix their situation, but I expect the people with money and resources to be able to. The fact that they don't shows that they do…
Why not blame the politicians?
Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech
#448Watch how fast this falls out of the news cycle because it doesn’t align with America’s view of San Francisco. So far I’ve heard it was: a homeless person, a junkie, mentally ill, violent criminal common to San Francisco. Part of me felt this was personal. A stabbing you have to get fairly close. Bob Lee could know his killer. And I don’t know him well enough to know who he hung out with.
Unless a pic comes out of Momeni (the alleged stabber) dressed in drag, then this news will drag out for a long time, pun intended.
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#449Earlier quoted context omitted.
No. The point isn’t that homeless kill people, it’s that homeless and drug addicts create environments where people are more likely to be killed, by anyone.
One tech executive stabs another one to death, and this is somehow homeless people’s fault?
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#450Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.
I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.
Arrests sure better be public record in a free country.