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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by r0m4n0 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

I have had two MacBook Air m1 failures in my family that has started to change how I recommend purchasing a mac. They have 1 year warranties and one had logic board failure around the 18 month mark. It’s possible they last 7 years (I have a 2015 mbp that is going strong) but also it’s possible any high end brand lasts that long (I have an Hp envy that is running strong as well). The repairability of a MacBook m1 is basically zero. I’m too afraid to buy a new logic board because of the T2 chip). Anyway, a 1 year warranty is absurd on a product that expensive that you shouldn’t be having problems with. The tiny warranty is a scam to get you into AppleCare plus for hundreds more, so factor that into the price you pay as well. I feel like I’m responsible for recommending the m1 to my cousin that got fried this last week

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

wkat4242 wrote: post #427
layer8 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s mostly the Euro having weakened vis-à-vis the USD, plus some very minor components like private-copying levy. European prices are usually listed including sales tax, which can make them appear higher compared to the US list prices which don’t include tax.

The euro is above the dollar again so that point doesn't really fly anymore.

Price increases tend to be sticky.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by grecy »

rchaud wrote: post #295
Dalewyn wrote: post #69

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

8GB of RAM is unusable for even basic 1080p video editing. I would think a Macbook air's use case included that, because there are a wide range of $700 Windows laptops that will provide the 16GB minus the extortionate markup.

A little while ago I asked on HN if an M1 with 8GB of ram is enough for major 4k editing in FCPX and multiple people chimed in to say they're using that exact setup and it's smooth as butter...

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by MagicMoonlight »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

That’s a massive cope.

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Post by tremon »

airstrike wrote: post #377
varispeed wrote: post #360

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You can't. There is only 1 Mac Mini available with M1 CPU and it only has 8GB RAM - that's for $499 and if you add shipping to Europe and tax, probably it will work out closer to $1000 than $499.

Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

Two years ago, I paid around €300 for a pair of original Haori from Japan. The shipping costs where around €60, which was expected, but the taxes and import fees added another €170 to the total expenditure. That's not 100% of the product's price, but it's damn close.

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Post by yazzku »

donkeyd wrote: post #365
senttoschool wrote: post #332

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Adjust for inflation and exchange rate.

What's the point of that? My mom who walks into a store doesn't adjust for inflation. Her income hasn't been adjusted for inflation, let alone exchange rate. Many people on HN can probably explain why the price is what it is now. That doesn't mean that people are willing (or capable) to pay that much.

It really is hard for some people to understand, right?

Mom makes X

Prices go up

Mom still makes X

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by anthonypasq »

joshstrange wrote: post #409
game_the0ry wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

This has been my experience since I first went from windows to mac. People always talk about the "Apple Tax" and it's real but it's not as obscene as people make it out to be when you factor in longevity. I had friends in college who were replacing ~$400-500 machines almost yearly while my ~$1,200 machine (2009) lasted all 4 years and then some. I only upgraded since I was using it professionally and wanted some more…

did you ever stop to think that maybe if they bought a $1200 windows machine it would have lasted 4 years.

also macs were very early to hop on the ssd train and that was an insane advantage over most windows machines. I think that gap has closed substantially at this point.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>EDIT - I am surprised I am getting downvoted. You would think more folks on HN would be happy about long lasting products but the anti-apple bias is strong enough to override the concern of having a more sustainable product.

A small part of the reasons I downvoted you is this flamey statement here, because you seem more worried about the downvotes you were getting than with the content of your message and seem to base your opinion an what you think other people will like to hear, and when that doesn't work and people downvote you, you then resort to generalize and perhaps falsely calling people who disagree with you that they must have an anti Apple bias when that's not true.

You should always speak your mind free regardless of other people's upvotes or downvotes, and not start to attack those who don't agree with you as if only your opinion is the right one and everyone else who disagrees must certainly be biased.

Back on topic, no, I don't have an Apple bias, and the main reason I downvoted you is that I don't agree with your assessment of Apple making sustainable products when they've demonstrated time and time again being at the forefront of the anti right-to-repair movement and did everything they could to make sure to restrict, disable and discourage third party repairs as much as possible. See Luis Rossman's and Linus Tech Tips's videos. That's not what a sustainable company does.

I'm glad you've never had any issue with your Macbooks, but one, that's survivorship bias of sample size one, and two, that's just shows reliability, and in no way proves anything about sustainability.

Sustainability would be if you would have had issues and Apple would have provided you with assistance to reapir your old devices on the cheap. But your anecdotal experience of something never going wrong is no proof of sustainability as nothing ever went wrong with my Acer, HP, and Lenovo machines either, but that doesn't mean they're models of sustainability.

Framework is an example of sustainability, not Apple, because sell you with the parts to keep your machines going, in case something goes wrong. Apple does not do that, in fact the opposite:

"Oh, the display cable of your out of warranty Macbook is toast? Bummer. How about buying a new laptop then?"

That's not what a sustainable company does. Ever.

Based on these facts, I would encourage you to reevaluate your stance on what sustainability actually means and how it's defined on a consumer company and products. Peace.

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