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> I don't mean music and films, but rather the way of thinking about the world. For example?
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Why did you come to this conclusion? Was there a follow up reply, where he elaborated?
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Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020. It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.
I had to get books on MLK and Rosa Parks for my kid's school. Why?? This drives me crazy. They are not part of my country's history and we have plenty of local heroes.
maybe they are studying racism ? racism can't be studied on the local level alone. it looks like you're from Brazil. Brazil has a common history with US with regards to enslavement and import of africans, for example.
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If you ever want to suddenly hear a lot of racism, ask any European about the Romani. I've literally heard many people, after stridently arguing against racism and discrimination, say "oh well gypsies are different, they actually are that bad".
It's debatable if they are actually a race.
they certainly are not because the only stupid definition of race within the human race is by US administration and they're not in the list
https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/report-your-data/race-ethnicity-de...
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, it was shocking here in Stockholm when there were BLM protests in 2020. It's like people are more involved in US politics than their national politics.
There was a protest march in Mumbai against gun violence in the US. That was the only time I ever wanted to punch someone for expressing a political opinion in person.
So you don’t like freedom of speech and right to assembly.
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Maybe racism isn't just a US thing
Racism is global problem. Killing black people by white police is a US specific problem. I feel weird to see BLM outside of US, rather than other anti-racism campaign.
This is only true if you have an extremely narrow definition of "white".
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There's no 'average european culture' as inter-european differences are bigger than US-europe divide. The US is basically our common cultural base now. > secularism, gun-rights, access to abortion, universal healthcare, labour laws, privacy and regulation At least 4 of those issues are american , not european. this just goes to show how much attention europeans pay to the US issues instead of our own issues (aging of…
> Nobody went out on the streets because they wanted cookie prompts. We are just letting bureaucrats run the show and tell us we should like it Umm I do advocate for privacy. And I know many people that do. Feelings about GDPR are generally very positive. But nobody wanted cookie prompts. They are the result of a shortsighted compromise. What the EU should have done is simply forbid user tracking or make the user tak…
Not stupid, sadly - corrupt. I bet most of the MEPs that voted on that directive are now retired with a fat pension, made even fatter by some "consulting gig" from the folks that wanted that law weakened.
Unfortunately this is nothing new. Democracy has its problems.
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#447Please, don't think Italians are like that. It's just this stupid government. For instance in Italian, unlike Spanish, French, ..., there are no italianized words for all the computer science words, we just use English. In general there is not a big sentiment of culture self-defence. But this government is trying to do things that will appeal the dumb people voting for it.
The majority of folks don't really think people from any country are "like" their governments, except when it comes to other countries' perceptions of Americans, for some weird reason. But in reality, there's not very many governments left that represent their citizens, including the US. The citizens of the world have collectively lost control of their governments in the last couple of decades.
other countries' perceptions of Americans, for some weird reason
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#448I think we (Americans and Europeans alike) wholly underestimate how Americanised European culture is becoming. This is an observation rather than a criticism as I don't know whether this is 'good' or 'bad' but it is noticeable phenomena manifest through language, and probably an unintended consequence of the dependency of Europe on US communication technology, leading to the import of US communication styles, politic…
But “Italian nationalists” aren’t a thing. There have been Italian language wars in border regions but they fizzle once non-locals get involved. For example, South Tyrol has a large German speaking population. The Italian government has historically encouraged adoption of Italian. But South Tyrol has (had?) a large Sicilian population that supported the local German speakers.
> But "Italian nationalists" aren't a thing
I don't think you've paid much attention to the last 25 years of Italian politics. Italian nationalists are definitely a thing, and they are winning. The current government is led by openly-avowed post-fascists. The last time fascists were in power, Superman became "Nembo Kid", Internazionale Milano became "Ambrosiana Inter", and people with foreign surnames had to italianize them or risk ostracism (how do I know? My great-grandmother was one of them). One of the reasons Italian national identity is so traditionally weak in the postwar period is that its period of unabashed strength was so clearly associated with an unpresentable regime; the latest move by this government is an explicit bridge to that period, a dog whistling exercise that will work very well with their electorate.
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"Fatto in Italia" would be just as good, but might not be as widely understood by non-Italian speakers.
It would feel weird to Italians too. Made in Italy is a sentence that has a long history and is widely used. Fatto in Italia would be laughed at. Then, if it becomes a law, it will be fatto in Italia. I bet against it.
"fatto" has slang associations with heroin use, so I doubt they'd go for that. But they could push some new branding, like "prodotto italiano".
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#450Please, don't think Italians are like that. It's just this stupid government. For instance in Italian, unlike Spanish, French, ..., there are no italianized words for all the computer science words, we just use English. In general there is not a big sentiment of culture self-defence. But this government is trying to do things that will appeal the dumb people voting for it.
More of them who were against this presumed sentiment of culture self defence, as you claim that in general there is no such thing (i.e. the majority of Italians don't care about it), should have voted the side they truly wanted, or should have gone and cast their vote instead of abstaining. But you may equally assume that they expressed their opinion in doing what they did well knowing what the outcome would be. As…
The other side didn't show up, last time, because of disappointment after almost a decade of more-or-less-uninterrupted power.