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The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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> the world is just getting depressing as hell for young people who see less and less of a future for themselves I heard exactly the same thing in the 1970s.

Compare housing costs in the 1970s vs now.

Compare the threat of being drafted and dying uselessly in Vietnam vs now.

Compare the gas lines in the 1970s vs today.

Compare the cost of an iPhone in the 1970s vs today.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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My first job was delivering newspapers, too. I didn't despise it, it was easy work, nobody looking over my shoulder, the pay was good enough to put money in my pocket. Fundamentally, people value what they work to achieve. Things gotten without effort are not valued. BTW, having a job does look good on a college application.

Our teens problem might be they only value the number of likes on their profile. Note that I won't get any credit to what I'm saying : I have less than 10 followers.

My HN karma is 64,000 which means absolutely nothing.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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>base my personality on it Your words, not gp. A part-time job as a teen helps you navigate and integrate into society. Part-time helps you get out of your bubble and interact with the public, who may be different to your upbringing. It is immediately clear to me who has had a job as a teen (read: service job), and who has not in my experience. This may be a form of reverse-classism on my part, but learning to sweep…

> While I was working 10h/w during high school, I was also making DOOM wads and learning BSP algo in my extremely ample free time. I don't recall having what I would call "ample" spare time in high school. I recall being at school 8:30 to 4 every day, then a few hours of homework daily and/or exam prep for the endless exams ("don't fail" they said, "or you'll never go to university and your life is ruined forever!").…

When did you go to highschool?

I think homework overload could be part of the problem.

When I went to highschool in the Aughts, UC tracked students rarely had homework, maybe 30 min a day, and school got out at 2:15. If you had a good job, you could get 1 or 2 hours of school credit instead.

Young family members I know now talk about several hours of work per day.

I certainly wouldn't be happy with that

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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when my kids were born i was amazed how competitive getting into a good pre-school was. Then i was amazed how competitive getting in to a good elementary school was and now middle school. One year out and we're already discussing strategy for getting in to a good high school. When I was a kid you went to whatever school was in your neighborhood. On the other hand, when i was a kid my parents had no idea what a good s…

This has been the status quo in Asia for probably at least half a century

It would be interesting to plot the Asian percentage in the OP's area vs the time when OP became aware of this competition. Remember: import enough X and you will become X.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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The decline in young people's sexual activity is a recent event: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-have-been-...

That started in Japan around 2000, a good ten years before the mental health crisis that struck kids at about 13 years of age in English speaking countries simultaneously.

Japan is in some sense at the leading edge of male isolation and loneliness and depression.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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I'm a father of teen kids, teacher and educator. I don't think that there is a single reason here. All mentioned things contribute – social media pressure, climate problems, economical crisis etc. But I'd like to add another one – declining quality of education. I see increasing number of teens depressed because they don't have teachers and their education isn't good enough for jobs they'd like to get in future. And…

I'm not sure you can blame problems such as climate change, economic issues -- every generation had its own existential crisis: WW2, Korea, Vietnam, numerous recessions and until 1990, recent generations lived under the specter of the atom bomb. I think it's social media, that's what's really changed: Every single teenager is now comparing themselves against every other kid in the world instead of just their local pe…

> and until 1990, recent generations lived under the specter of the atom bomb

Has this specter gone away?

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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That started in Japan around 2000, a good ten years before the mental health crisis that struck kids at about 13 years of age in English speaking countries simultaneously.

Japan is in some sense at the leading edge of male isolation and loneliness and depression.

And limited internet access on feature phone (i-mode, J-Sky, EZweb) was a thing from around 2000. Many students had it. So it strengthen original argument.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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now imagine spamming their phones with tik tok videos about the end of the world due to ____________. In your example, it's climate change. Maybe it's that, but it could also be that we can now mainline hours and hours of highly provocative content directly into a growing brain.

We grew up with the threat of nuclear destruction, as well as global warming, in the 1980s.

> We grew up with the threat of nuclear destruction

The difference is that nuclear destruction required some sort of action. Climate catastrophe just requires inaction. "Do nothing and we're OK" vs. "do nothing and we're toast" is a pretty big difference psychologically. The idea that it might be too late for any action to change the outcome only makes it worse.

> as well as global warming

I was old enough to be aware at the time, and the level of concern about global warming then is practically nothing compared to what it is now. People were at least as concerned about a nuclear winter.

Responding to others' concerns with "big deal, I had it worse" is almost never helpful. Regardless of whether those concerns are objectively valid or among those you personally share, an empathetic and curious response would be to understand why those concerns loom so large and what can be done to allay them.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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First of all, I'm sorry I didn't know my meme! Second, you've linked to a photo that says something about Netflix, Twitter, Airbnb, Apple, Stripe, Lyft, Google, Salesforce, Facebook, Tesla, eBay, PayPal, and Microsoft. It's not clear to me what that's supposed to have to do with Hacker News moderation. It's not at all true that ideological battles are fine here for one side but not the other, as anyone can see for th…

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> 95% of HN is comprised of people that work in the same or similarly biased companies

You don't know that and I don't believe it's true.

Your example is cherry-picked. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34625001 is by the same author on the same topic and spent 12 hours on HN's front page.

Re: The teen mental illness epidemic is international – Part 1: The Anglosphere

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I'm a father of teen kids, teacher and educator. I don't think that there is a single reason here. All mentioned things contribute – social media pressure, climate problems, economical crisis etc. But I'd like to add another one – declining quality of education. I see increasing number of teens depressed because they don't have teachers and their education isn't good enough for jobs they'd like to get in future. And…

Not sure it's about education. Ladders seem pulled higher and sending your resume to the ether and the dog and pony show that is interviewing...
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