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Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by ABeeSea »

remarkEon wrote: post #249

The media coverage of this (and the title of this submission, which I argue should be changed to the actual title of the bill) are really confusing everyone - both in here and elsewhere. There is a Senate bill[1] called "S.85 - No TikTok on United States Devices Act", which is very short and seems to only do one thing, and that's ban TikTok. This bill is in committee. There is another Senate bill[2], called "S.686 -…

>TikTok isn't even mentioned in the text of the act.

Because that would make it a bill of attainder which is unconstitutional.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by n0tahacker »

gonehome wrote: post #413
throwaway4837 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it has nothing to do with "talking about how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm", because if it did, they would be trying to ban Facebook, Instagram, and other social media services that have the exact same effect as TikTok on children. This is really meant to be a punch in the fight against China. US government does not want any possibility of US citizens' data being in the hands of China and their qu…

The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…

I think this attitude is wrong. A strong democracy doesn't need to fight "fake news" legally and doesn't need their own propaganda op in foreign states like Radio Free Asia etc. If you are banning foreign media in your own country, you are doing the same as China in the end. Why not establish a great firewall?

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by pc_edwin »

pc_edwin wrote: post #440

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer nor a legal/constitutional expert. TLDR: The bill doesn't ban TikTok, it gives the executive branch the power to ban companies like Tiktok. IMO this is an entirely reasonable measure. As someone with strong libertarian leanings, I am generally opposed to the trend of the executive branch gaining arbitrary legislative authority but this bill appears entirely reasonable to me despite some c…

I'll also add that its pretty interesting to see China in the list of "Foreign Adversaries".

I think this probably the first time they are recognised as such in an official capacity in recent times.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by solarpunk »

gonehome wrote: post #413
throwaway4837 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sadly, it has nothing to do with "talking about how 'kids' might be influenced by an algorithm", because if it did, they would be trying to ban Facebook, Instagram, and other social media services that have the exact same effect as TikTok on children. This is really meant to be a punch in the fight against China. US government does not want any possibility of US citizens' data being in the hands of China and their qu…

The data isn’t the risk, it’s more the ability for CCP to leverage influence. https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/ Dialing up things to cause unrest, dialing down stuff critical of the CCP. It’s not an issue about data, or even an issue about speech, it’s an issue of ownership of a media company by an adversary that will weaponize it against you. Who controls and owns media companies is a reasonable national…

This is just censorship apologia.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by salimmadjd »

Curious how many here have actually read this bill?

If you’ve read it and you still support it (as a US citizen) I’m going to be so heartbroken by today’s tech community.

This is authoritarianism in the name of protecting our children.

I understand, TikTok is projected to overtake Alphabet’s and Meta’s video ad revenue [0] and it won’t surprise me if they even lobbied for it. I just see it as a shortsighted move by these companies not to strongly come against this bill.

[0] https://www.fiercevideo.com/advertising/2027-tiktok-video-ad...

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by psychlops »

threeseed wrote: post #183
withinboredom wrote: post #164

Maybe someone will scroll all the way down to this comment. Probably not. For half a decade, I have lived outside of the US, and I've watched as it has fallen to shit in slow motion. I make a decent chunk of income in USD and this terrifies me... but this. This move saddens me. There are only so many hours that congress has to make real decisions ... and this, this is what they spent their time on? Talking about how…

a) The government can do more than one thing at a time. b) There is zero appetite from the GOP for gun control. Until that changes the status quo persists. c) Information about US citizens (which can be used to manipulate them) being handed over to the Chinese government is something that the government should be concerned about.

> b) There is zero appetite from the GOP for gun control. Until that changes the status quo persists.

There have been many years of Democratic control where they didn't prioritize gun control. The status quo persists for some other reasons, not just the GOP bogeyman.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by ddoolin »

goldfeld wrote: post #116
charlieflowers wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is mind boggling, and at the same time not surprising at all, that China is enforcing a humane policy to protect its children when we are not willing to do the same.

It is also surprising to realize that China and the chinese actually think as a nation and have a sense of collectivism, whereas the US is to each their gun and their million dollars in the bank. China has always had this sense of being one thing, historically, and even the atrocious regimes, emperors, and dictators are always representative of a populace wish to centralize and control things fluidly and efficiently.…

...because they killed or chased away any dissenters, now and historically. Look at Taiwan, or Hong Kong, the revolution, or Xinjiang. It isn't some innate characteristic of the Chinese, it is intentional.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by bioemerl »

retinaros wrote: post #428
bioemerl wrote: post #415

The operatives in China's social manipulation groups are laughing while reading this thread because you all are doing their work for free. I don't think you guys understand here how important a bill like this is, and how much of a threat China is to us. This bill could be modified to restrict its usage more, and that would be good, but at the end of the day we must take action against the fact that China has such a m…

sure fb and instagram are better or even vine was better. onlyfans? beautiful app definitly lifting people out of poverty. I remember the trump days. the same democrats pushing for a ban where calling trump racist for his anti-china policies. what a 180 from all our enlightened benefactors and democrats thinkers

It's a 180 I'm sure happy with.

This isn't about lifting people out of poverty or the quality of the other apps. There are very big systemic problems that still need to be solved with regulations on American applications.

This is about making sure an enemy state doesn't have a little window to half the people in the country, with the ability to exert total control on what they see every day.

Re: Senate Bill to Ban TikTok

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Post by tryauuum »

bioemerl wrote: post #415

The operatives in China's social manipulation groups are laughing while reading this thread because you all are doing their work for free. I don't think you guys understand here how important a bill like this is, and how much of a threat China is to us. This bill could be modified to restrict its usage more, and that would be good, but at the end of the day we must take action against the fact that China has such a m…

I hear you, and at the same time I know nothing good comes out of government interfering with internet. Another 10 years and they will ban news websites with "fake news about war", as Russia did in 2022

Luckily I live in a small country now and shouldn't care much about us politics

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