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Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by tracker1 »

whitehexagon wrote: post #396
genocidicbunny wrote: post #119

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If you pick the DIY option, you can omit the Windows license. You'll have to install Linux yourself, but that doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task for someone already going with the DIY option. I'm guessing they don't want to officially support any specific distro, and offering support for multiple distros is probably a bit outside their wheelhouse at the moment. [e: this is perhaps not the case]

So how about 'No OS preinstalled' option? and allow customers to chose if they want to pay the MS tax or not. Maybe they are not allowed to offer this option? Including any linux distro would be better, because it would show a growing linux desktop market share.

Agreed... it's easy enough to blow away a given installed distro. I'm half surprised System76 doesn't sell these with PopOS.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by tracker1 »

klardotsh wrote: post #263
_skel wrote: post #85

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There is always going to be a chorus about something. Power users are impossible to please because they all have strong opinions but not the same opinions. People will still want different screen resolutions, aspect ratios, keyboard layouts, etc. Now that AMD is available people will want particular CPU SKUs. It will never end. I wish Framework luck, because they are targeting the pickiest userbase that exists.

AMD 3:2 thin-and-light at a small overall screen size (but still usable) and with replaceable parts checks an enormous amount of power-user boxes. Getting off Intel was their last critical hurdle, and while for whatever reason it took them an eternity to listen to that (rather overwhelmingly loud) feedback, they finally did it. I suspect the choruses will be much quieter now. If I hadn't already landed on a Beelink G…

I think USB4/TB3 was a huge box for the latest gen AMD mobile platform. Can't speak for others, but I'm generally docked with power over TB3 at home, and when I was in the office before. It's the one thing I wanted out of AMD that was missing for general use. Glad to see it here.

Definitely going Framework for my next laptop in a couple years... really tempted to get one sooner than later and pass down my M1 air to my daughter.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by kapep »

erinnh wrote: post #422
Yujf wrote: post #414

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It is gendered, which I suppose some people take issue with?

Maybe it is regional. But Ive heard mainboard used for at least 15 years or so in Germany. Well before the whole shift in language thats going on.

I would also say "Mainboard" has been the established German word for motherboard for a long time. I almost never hear anyone call it Motherboard anymore in German (and even less the actual German word "Hauptplatine")

Even manufacturers like MSI for example use the term "Mainboard" in German [1] but "motherboard" in English [2]

[1]: https://de.msi.com/Motherboards/ [2]: https://us.msi.com/Motherboards/

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by lhl »

bitL wrote: post #337
lhl wrote: post #306

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I wrote this a while back comparing Intel 12th Gen to AMD 6000, and power/perf should apply even more to the 13th Gen vs 7040 (Zen4 + RDNA3): The reason that people want AMD CPUs is simple - they’re much better than what Intel is offering. We can see empirically how wide this gap is now since we have independent reviews of identical laptop platforms from Lenovo and HP’s ultrathin business laptops (the same segment as…

Well, I have USB3 problems with all my AMD machines which makes e.g. attaching a VR headset reliably difficult. Random quickly repeated disconnects of devices due to a buggy chip from ASMedia/ASUS that AMD uses everywhere. I like TDP of the current gen though AMD turned to an even worse company than Intel in how it treats Threadripper users. DisplayPort over USB-C might not work either.

While having hardware compatibility issues suck, I'm not sure what your problems have to do with AMD's mobile APUs, which have their USB2/3/4 controllers implemented on-die (block diagram: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/12/AMD-Rembrandt-Diagram.j...) not using an external controller.

USB features depend ultimately on the laptop manufacturers' implementation (eg neither the HP or Lenovo models linked implement USB4 but they are in other models like the Lenovo Z13), but I haven't seen any that claim to have DP-alt support not be able to support it. As the Framework will have USB4 (and DP-alt and PCIe encapsulation are mandated by Microsoft for Windows 11 compatibility), I don't think that's a real worry for anyone.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by tgrosinger »

CarVac wrote: post #286
nrp wrote: post #216

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Absolutely! We’ve been chatting with Jack Humbert, and he’s actually been prototyping an ortholinear keyboard module for the Framework Laptop 16. There are likely some photos of it in press articles about the event today.

Is there a chance you could have individual scissor switch key modules made for DIY ergonomic layouts on a custom PCB? The height limitations of the 16" laptop are too low for low-profile discrete mechanical switches.

Kailh makes a scissor switch module but I think it's still too thick. http://www.kailh.com/en/Products/Ks/NotebookS/

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by dosssman »

eichin wrote: post #357
heavyset_go wrote: post #327

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I'd kill for a trackpoint keyboard.

Given that there's just more room in the 16", I wonder how hard it would be to just build an adapter board (and some 3d printed scaffolding) to just mount an actual lenovo thinkpad replacement part...

When it comes to the keyboard, the room that matters is the height, and both the FW 13 or 16 have a maximum height of 3.8mm

Unless one can come up with a way to produce a custom keyboard with the same height restriction, using something like a Thinkpad keyboard which is considerably taller would essentially require a custom taller chassis.

Not impossible, but relatively hard I would say.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by sudosysgen »

bitL wrote: post #444
sudosysgen wrote: post #364

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Do you have the upgraded cable?

No, the original one. Didn't even know there was an upgraded one.

If you contact Dell support there's a pretty good chance you'll get the cable which should fix it for you :)

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by distances »

tracker1 wrote: post #433
mbreese wrote: post #362

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In this form factor, the use of laptop grade parts is quite common. So, if you want a small PC, then you’re already going to be comfortable with this level of performance. In this case, reuse of a framework main board is a great option.

I've setup a handful of MinusForum 5900HX boxes the past couple years, and thet've been surprisingly capable. I'm using one for my homeserver (docker, wireguard, pihole, etc) for about a year. They can definitely be OP for what they might be used for and more than enough for typical facebook, email, youtube content consumption. Definitely happy to see Framework offering 3D models for retired boards and an upgrade pat…

And that model is already overkill for typical office usage. MinisForum UM350 is very snappy for browsing, office software, YouTube etc. 16GB of memory and very reasonable pricing.

Re: Framework announces AMD, new Intel gen, 16“ laptop and more

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Post by bitL »

lhl wrote: post #445
bitL wrote: post #337

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Well, I have USB3 problems with all my AMD machines which makes e.g. attaching a VR headset reliably difficult. Random quickly repeated disconnects of devices due to a buggy chip from ASMedia/ASUS that AMD uses everywhere. I like TDP of the current gen though AMD turned to an even worse company than Intel in how it treats Threadripper users. DisplayPort over USB-C might not work either.

While having hardware compatibility issues suck, I'm not sure what your problems have to do with AMD's mobile APUs, which have their USB2/3/4 controllers implemented on-die (block diagram: https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2021/12/AMD-Rembrandt-Diagram.j... ) not using an external controller. USB features depend ultimately on the laptop manufacturers' implementation (eg neither the HP or Lenovo models linked implement USB…

Glad to hear that! My 8-core AMD laptop from ASUS with 3080 is almost 2 years old now so things might have changed. My Threadripper still has USB issues and I don't like e.g. inability to type text or move mouse for 10-20 seconds just because the USB controller on the most expensive Threadripper board decides to have a game of disconnects.
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