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Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Mine beeps and opens it's door, I quite like it. The washing machine make a Yazoo style beep to that I sing along to. Definitely need to get out more.

If the washing machine is a Samsung, that tune is Die Forelle, or The Trout (Schubert).

Haha, no it's definitely the theme from "Only You" (it's a cheap no brand thing, not that sophisticated, either technically or musically, it seems)

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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This assumes your dishwasher is hooked up to the hot water feed in the first place, most aren't. Most have a cold water intake and a heating element that heats it up internally to the correct temperature, so actually your tip is just wasting water (potentially hot water) for anyone who has a modern dishwasher.

I thought it was the reverse today. They used to heat hot water but now rely on hot water I put due to energy efficiency requirements. They keep water warm but don’t really heat it.

My dishwasher only requires the water to be 30c, and combined with a longer wash cycle does an excellent job of cleaning the dishes.

My hot water tank heats to 60c, so my dishwasher would still need a thermocouple and a heating element to mix it to 30c, as there's no guarantee that my hot water tank is actually full.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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People are different, and that's OK :) Some people have 1-2 really close friends, others have 20 friends that they are not that close with but still close enough to meet every week for dinner, but if you want someone to help you hide a body when you accidentally killed someone, you're probably better off with 1-2 really close friends. And also, you can invite anyone over for dinner, that's sometimes how you make acqu…

Well until this as-of-yet unknown person turns you into a body. I don't have friends.

Hence the "it's a dinner" part. All you need is keeping me distracted with more lamb chops and drinks until I forget that came to kill you, nom, nom, nom. It always work.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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This is also telling how thin the walls are where you live. I live in an old house with an old and fairly loud dishwasher. One door closed and there are no vibrations or noise problem. Can a dishwasher really become a noise problem?

No, I live in a new building with reinforced concrete external walls. But it's a general rule in Berlin. (Other German states have other rules, often with restrictions even earlier.) And yes, I have been able to hear neighbors dishwashers before. Again, through the floor, not through the walls, though not in my current building (where I'm on the top floor).

Funnily enough here one part of the government, as part of an environmental push, is trying to encourage people to run appliances like dishwashers and washing machines at night to use renewable power that is currently underutilisied rather than contributing to how much of the fossil power is used at times of peak load.

Of course, at the same time, the also government run fire service is trying to encourage people _not_ to do that for fire safety reasons.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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This is not about Disneyland, it is about a single dishwasher. I don't see how the scope is insurmountable for a single person when that is the subject.

What water pump and heater do you use? do you just grab some lame thing off the shelf that's the same as existing machines (at which point, what's the point of building your own if it's just going to be the same), or do you spec out expensive custom hardware with a custom motor that has bespoke winding arrangement that manages to accomplish what you set out to do? and an induction heater that's exactly right for the…

Here's a question I have been meaning to ask many times but refrained from doing so: what makes people like you so scared of the idea of creating or modifying hardware for personal use? Why does the simple prospect of adding a movable latch to a dishwasher lead to the above hyperbole which seems to be related to the design and production of a complete dishwasher instead of simply adding a moving latch to an existing one? Add to that the comments related to the enormous size of corporation needed to undertake any design work, the prospect of houses burning down because someone did something to his dishwasher and the picture becomes clear: thou shalt not think outside the box and be scared.

Now back to the prospect of adding a moving latch to a dishwasher which will have been prepared for something like that already given the fact that another model in the same series comes equipped with one. If you have a look at the mechanism you'll probably see the latch itself being built into the door with the bar mounted on the housing of the machine. In the 'cheaper' version this bar will be a grey piece of plastic, screwed down against the machine. In the 'expensive' version the bar is a longer piece of the same gray plastic which can slide in and out, moved by a motor of some kind (most likely a rack and pinion with end stops, could also be a servomotor). To add the moving latch to the version without one you'd take the screwed-down latch and either add it to a bar which can be moved using a servomotor (which can be had for a couple of € nowadays) or make a longer version using one of the many methods available to do such. Next you´d check whether the controller provides the control signals for the latch drive in the 'cheaper' version, if it does you can simply use those. If it does not you'll have to use an existing 'ready' signal to trigger the latch, the mentioned buzzer being a good candidate. Get a cheap microcontroller, program it to drive the motor when the 'ready' signal is given and to retract the bar when it is pulled from the latch or when the door is opened past a certain point and voila, you have a self-opening dishwasher. If you count the time spent to create your own version as billable hours it is probably not worth the effort but that is the wrong way to look at it. If you count the time spent cooking your own food, riding a bike instead of a faster mode of transport, reading a book or simply looking at the clouds as billable hours those things suddenly seem to be very expensive so why bother? Well, because there is more to life than billable hours. In this case it may simply be the joy of creating something, of overcoming an artificial hurdle, of one-upping the bean counters who decided to overcharge for such a simple feature or just because you think you can.

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