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Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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What bothers me about this -- and it bothered me enough to leave the platform -- is not fees, or "hobby computing," or "it's just for my own use," or trying to figure out why this or that would be in Apple's interest. What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. I am, of course, aware that many (perhaps most) computers in the world are effectively appliances, but a…

This is what is so great and exciting about the Steam Deck.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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Why shouldn’t he complain about it though? If nobody complains there’s no chance things will change. Sure people could vote with their feet, but not everyone is willing to do that. They should still be allowed to ask for improvements.

But his unwillingness to vote with his feet is the actual message here. He's basically saying: Here are the horrible things that Apple is doing to me and yet I'm still giving them my money and investing myself in their developer ecosystem. That's how much I love them, for some reason that remains unstated in the article. That's what the parent commenter alluded to: There's some really weird psychology happening here,…

I think people here need to stop questioning people's psychology. It's offensive and unnecessary.

You can be critical of Apple's App Store policies and still want to take advantage of the unique features of the platform.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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I’m not defending this, but after 15 years, I don’t see the point in complaining. We complain (rightfully) about the amount of crap in the App Store and Apple's capricious review policies that don’t stop the scammers, but for better or worse, the $99 fee IS a barrier to entry that I would argue has made the iOS ecosystem better than Android. I’ve been paying $99 a year for early access to iOS betas and for my own tes…

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I guess a $30,000 car that will leave you with nearly nothing after several years also has no value? How about a $5000 vacation with your family? How about a great bottle of wine? Many, many things we choose to value enough to invest in are temporary. That is not a useful criteria.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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I agree, but... in my experience Android and Android devices suck in comparison to iOS and iPhones. Why can't anyone else create a true competitor to iOS and iPhone that is as open as Android? Is it because of Apple patents? Is it because they assume that if a company as large as Google couldn't do it then nobody can do it? Is it just developers are such a small part of the general populace that there is no money in…

> in my experience Android and Android devices suck in comparison to iOS and iPhones. I wonder how much of this is "the thing I'm used to is the best thing?" every time I hear this sort of comparison (regardless of which type of machine the commenter thinks is "best".) The thing that makes me wonder is because my experience is the opposite of yours -- I think Android is much superior to iOS. But I suspect much of my…

It’s because needs and preferences differ. There is not 1 objective evaluation that makes it the “best”.

Consider a minivan and a sports convertible on which car is the best car - many people will say my car is better and are optimizing for their own personal interests

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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post #68

What bothers me about this -- and it bothered me enough to leave the platform -- is not fees, or "hobby computing," or "it's just for my own use," or trying to figure out why this or that would be in Apple's interest. What bothers me is that it feels like an offense against the entire notion of what a computer is. I am, of course, aware that many (perhaps most) computers in the world are effectively appliances, but a…

Yup, they are not "appliances", they are worse than that. My toaster doesn't care or complain at what I toast, my oven doesn't want $99 pizza baking license nor it doesn't want me to pay extra just because I cooked something for someone else in it.

And your toaster doesn't analyze your food to see if it's bad for you or prohibited or something.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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The relationship some developers have with Apple should be a case-study with multiple PhD thesis in psychology. Not even in movies I've seen so many cases of children desperately chasing their emotionally unavailable parent. Apple is a trillion dollar company, it's the "parent" who sells you +$40 dongles for everything. "Hobbies" are only good if they make them money AND doesn't increase their risk or any liability.…

It’s not just Apple. The same dynamic plays out with most other hyped technologies. Apple’s fans may demonstrate this behavior most clearly, but cults of sycophants exist for many different companies: Microsoft, Tesla, Google, … this list never ends.

> cults of sycophants

I think people like yourself should be more thoughtful more about why these products are so popular.

Instead of reducing these people who may simply like their products to being cult members who can't make educated, independent choices.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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This is slippery-slope fearmongering. In reality, Apple has gone out of its way to ensure that Apple Silicon Macs can boot other operating systems if the user so desires, and can do so without sacrificing security.

This is slippery-slope fearmongering Apple has publicly said that macOS is unacceptably insecure because users have the option of running unapproved software ( https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444353/mac-malware-not-... ). It's not unreasonable to think that they'd be interested in fixing that "problem".

Yeah if apple was all about open they would publish specs so people working on build up the m1 Linus wouldn't have to reverse engineer so much. I guess what they do is let you boit other os'.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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> I think what Apple’s afraid of is an app like Facebook tricking/forcing users to sideload in order to bypass privacy protections and get full access to user data. I don’t think they’re at all worried about hobbyists sideloading open source apps. Nah, they're worried someone might sideload a software with payment method that doesn't give them cut

BS, nobody wants to sideload another app store. If they want to pay for sketchy software they get it off a dark web site and sideload that . Even if you wanted to install recreational_drugstore.app to have the convenience of a wraparound consumer experience for designer dugs, would you really want a dark web originated app hooked up to your crypto wallet or fiat payment methods? Get real, Apple's target demo is upper…

That's not true. There are plenty of other stores on Android.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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I really don't understand your take. not one iota. To me, it seems that you're complaining about something that was once free, isn't anymore. It's a business and it's their data, electricity, servers, users, etc...

They're not Twitter's users. They are independent publishers publishing their information on the open web, and Twitter is rentseeking. It'd be the same as a web host prohibiting certain browsers, or trying to block you from publishing RSS.

Huh? Publishing a website “on the open web” costs money. I pay Google to host my website. If I hosted it on my own machine I’d still pay domain registration and ISP fees plus electricity and hardware costs. It’s not totally indefensible for Twitter to charge a small fee for access, although I’m not sure it’s a good idea in this case.

Re: Apple doesn’t want you developing hobby apps

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Why shouldn’t he complain about it though? If nobody complains there’s no chance things will change. Sure people could vote with their feet, but not everyone is willing to do that. They should still be allowed to ask for improvements.

But his unwillingness to vote with his feet is the actual message here. He's basically saying: Here are the horrible things that Apple is doing to me and yet I'm still giving them my money and investing myself in their developer ecosystem. That's how much I love them, for some reason that remains unstated in the article. That's what the parent commenter alluded to: There's some really weird psychology happening here,…

There's no reason that Apple people can't move to Android, it's stubborn resistance. Just like Android people don't want to move to Apple for "reasons". But they love what they have. I use android but I want to figure out how to block Google from spying better.
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