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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by mmcnl »

roncesvalles wrote: post #428
wvenable wrote: post #218

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It's so weird -- I use Teams all the time and I've never had a serious problem with it. It's not the greatest software ever made but it's certainly functional. It's definitely getting a lot of work done to it.

If you're a company of 10 or 20 people, you won't notice the problems. It starts to break at medium-sized business scale (anything over, say, 100 employees). You start to notice limitations in the UI/UX but also just constant bugs in calling functionality, split meetings, super laggy large meetings, slow navigation, and broken search. It just feels like it wasn't built for serious scale from the ground up, like some…

I use it daily in an organization with >10k employees. Never really have any issues?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by hulitu »

dheera wrote: post #254
jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

Part of the reason is that when Teams (or any Microsoft product) has issues, people blame Microsoft. When any other product has issues, they blame whoever made the decision to use that product. When IT people pick Microsoft, it's not an optimization for quality. It's an optimization for liability. Nobody was ever fired for picking Microsoft.

> Nobody was ever fired for picking Microsoft

This was about IBM. From what i know, IBM does some interesting things (from a HW perspective).

OTOH nothing MS does is interesting (except maybe as a challenge in network filtering)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by clepto »

whatever1 wrote: post #396
jacquesm wrote: post #194

Teams is so horrific we banned it. If you force us to use teams you'll have to find another supplier. Seriously, it is incomprehensible that Microsoft would ship something so utterly broken. I know they don't have a reputation for writing good software but Teams is on another level, and I don't mean that in a positive way. I've really tried to get it to work but it is so messed up that I don't think it can be done. M…

How can the company who makes one of the best (if not the best) electron app (vscode), also ship one of the worst electron apps (Teams)? Can’t they just set up a meeting and and take notes on how the other team did it?

They tried to setup a meeting to go over it but no one was able to join because Teams was broken

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by jerrygenser »

generalk wrote: post #421

Regardless of what you think of Teams -- I myself have had nothing but poor experiences over 2.5 years of using it daily -- it's telling that Microsoft has to require folks to use Teams. I'm sure this is just Microsoft unifying everyone on the same comms platform, but seriously, I don't know anyone who chooses Teams. I know non-tech folks who chose Outlook 365 because of familiarity and then end up on Teams because i…

Why did you need HIPAA Compliance for your chat app? Internal discussion about patients that include PHI?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by caf »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

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Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

Somehow Microsoft have managed to recreate the analogue, circuit-switched telephone network phenomenon of a "bad line" in the digital, packet-switched world of MS Teams. Occasionally I'll connect to a meeting and my audio will be just be unusably bad; quit the meeting and rejoin and it'll be fine...

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by andyferris »

ChymeraXYZ wrote: post #411
wvenable wrote: post #249

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What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

> What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat I expect a chat program to show me all messages the have been sent in a chat, in so far the other party intends me to view them (have no been deleted etc.). That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill. I expect an edit (mine or someone elses) to be reflected on all my devices. That is not an expectation Teams manages to fulfill. I expect to do the same se…

Me too… it makes me so sad.

I see it getting pushed a lot by companies using 365 and in particular all of Microsoft’s security setup stuff (like Authenticator wanting to own your phone), so you have to confine your communications to within the walled garden.

I think higher ups like the fact that it integrates with their outlook calendar (although the teams calendar itself fails to meet expectations for a calendar for the same reasons above - that is, like chat, I expect to see the latest updates to the calendar but they do not appear without an explicit refresh… like it’s still 1999 or something).

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by bsder »

gcbirzan wrote: post #432
bsder wrote: post #378

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> Wayland Don't blame Teams for the fact that Linux can't sort out its Desktop GUI situation.

Yes, the second graphical API that Linux supports in 30 years, definitely Linux's problem.

The fact that screenshots and the security around them is still a flaming ball of garbage on Linux is not Teams' fault.

The fact that Wayland still sucks after 15+ years is not Teams' fault.

The fact that nobody unpaid want to work on X11, Wayland, and Linux GUI stuff is not Teams' fault.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by Zetice »

dragonwriter wrote: post #306
wvenable wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

> What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat Poor discoverability of, basically, everything, paste doesn’t support standard options like pasting text only without formatting, so cutting and pasting from format documents takes either manual format correction or using a third app to paste without formatting and the cut again to avoid the ransom-note look. Formatting that supports Markdown entry (kind of), but…

Those don't really come across as deal breakers though, just preferences.

It may not be to your liking but isn't it a bit dramatic to say "worst-in-class" without including the "for me" caveat?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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Post by imron »

wvenable wrote: post #249
dragonwriter wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teams is minimally usable, but its pretty much worst-in-class for…everything it does. It’s two compelling selling points seem to be (1) that “nobody every got fired for buying IBM” now applies to Microsoft more than IBM, and (2) moreover, users don’t actually buy Teams qua Teams, they get a Microsoft 365 subscriptions for some of the things where Microsoft has not-worst-in-class solutions, and Teams comes along for t…

What does it mean to be worst-in-class for text chat or video conferencing. Video conferences look and sound great. Text chat is text chat. What am I missing here that's so awful?

Here’s an example:

Let’s say there’s a chat message with a sentence or two I want to copy/paste elsewhere. I highlight just the text I want and hit copy, and then when I go to paste, Teams has ‘helpfully’ copied not just the highlighted text but also the rest of the message and the metadata such as who wrote the message and the time stamp.

Every day using teams I encounter things like this that frustrate and annoy me.

It’s also one of the few tools I answer customer surveys on so I can share the annoyances back with Microsoft - and at least some of them seem to slowly get fixed (eg clicking show message from the search results now takes you to the message in context whereas previously it would just show the message by itself in the center of the screen with no way to see the surrounding conversation).

Anyway, yes, in my experience Teams is definitely worst-in-class.

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