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Post by PuppyTailWags »

mikrotikker wrote: post #439
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #434

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I read it and it seems perfectly fine for teenagers. Go Ask Alice has been something specifically marketed to the same age group for over 50 years and is about a 15-year-old girl being drugged against her will, setting of a spiral off addiction, sex, being raped while on drugs, committing prostitution for drugs, and eventually the death of the protagonist from drug addiction.

Teenagers, yep, remove the porn and its fine for teenagers. A cautionary tale for them that might help them realize people pushing the gender ideology are usually fucked up child abuse survivors who need therapy for the abhorrent crimes that were done to them.

I don't think you've read Go Ask Alice, because your post seems to imply you think Go Ask Alice can serve as a warning about gender. Go Ask Alice is actually an anti-drug book and doesn't really talk about gender at all. They're two very different books and I am only using Go Ask Alice as a comparably sexually graphic book that is in the same intended age range.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by phpisthebest »

derstander wrote: post #373
phpisthebest wrote: post #306

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Dont forget about us crazy libertarians that want Backpack funding of Schools via School Choice. we clearly want to a "Destroy public education" by making teachers accountable to parents which is a terrible thing according to the teachers union //sidenote we also want to abolish all public unions (including teachers union) as public sector employees use their union to corrupt the election process in their favor screw…

> //sidenote we also want to abolish all public unions (including teachers union) as public sector employees use their union to corrupt the election process in their favor screwing over the tax payer who ends up having no one in their favor in contract talks. This sounds like trading away some freedom of association for a small group of people — ostensibly for the greater good — which isn’t very pro-liberty in my eye…

There are lots of things that are traded way when it comes to government.

The libertarian solution to the Teachers Union issue is to have schools run by private organizations not attached to the government, thus would be free to unionize and have all the union benefits.

So long as they are a public employee who vote, and who use their power to have outside influence over the ones who are supposed to be representing all taxpayers not just the ones in the union, there is a clear conflict of interest when it comes to PUBLIC sector unions.

Want to be in a union, support backpack funding of private schools and end public schools

Hell even FDR was opposed to Public Sector Unions

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by phpisthebest »

notch656c wrote: post #379
derstander wrote: post #373

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> //sidenote we also want to abolish all public unions (including teachers union) as public sector employees use their union to corrupt the election process in their favor screwing over the tax payer who ends up having no one in their favor in contract talks. This sounds like trading away some freedom of association for a small group of people — ostensibly for the greater good — which isn’t very pro-liberty in my eye…

anti-union is anti-libertarian imo. But I can't gatekeep libertarianism, it's just my personal opinion. Pure unbridled free market will crush unions anyway, both the kinds formed by corporations (collusion) and those formed by employees (union). There is no need to legislate such action as market forces influence actors towards the more economical choice.

>Pure unbridled free market will crush unions anyway

Unless they are public sector union which face not market competition at all, as they are government employees. Thus the problem with them

I was very clear to not be "Anti-union" as you seem to claim but I am very much anti-PUBLIC SECTOR unions as there is clear conflict of interest inherent in those. Many libertrian are "pro union" for the private sector but are opposed to public sector union because of this clear conflict

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Post by nerdponx »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #345
nerdponx wrote: post #324

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Banning books at the state level should result in revocation of any federal funding allocated for state schools.

I'm with you in principle, but I worry that this would result in defunding the schools which need the most help: those in the most extremist states willing to accept funding revocation in response to book bans.

Good point. The people imposing the book bans don't seem to care about education in the first place, and more likely than not they have some chip on their shoulder about big government anyway.

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Post by Maursault »

mikrotikker wrote: post #440
nobody9999 wrote: post #433

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>The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes The data[0] doesn't support that claim. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...

That data does not dispute the claim.

FYI, your assertion is long known to be racist trope. First of all, no one, anywhere, ever, can "live" on welfare alone. It's just not possible. To live on welfare requires a job with some income. Further, if you earn less than $300K/yr, and you vote Republican, then you are voting adversely to your own economic interests and working against your own economic advancement. But if you make $300K/yr or more, then by all means...

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Post by mrguyorama »

epicureanideal wrote: post #416
mrguyorama wrote: post #397

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They are on the record as faking these videos before, as in, scripting and making them up.

Can you link some sources please, ideally from neutral organizations?

First, define, specifically, what you consider a neutral organization.

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Post by tzs »

ccn0p wrote: post #404
dvlsg wrote: post #305

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Voter disenfranchisement has been part of the playbook for a long time now. Take this issue for example - if this passes, and a teacher gets a felony from suggesting a book off of the pre approved list, they probably can't vote anymore.

Most felons in Florida are allowed to vote [1]. [1] https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/can-felons-vo...

Less than half is not "most". 1.4 million felons were covered by the Amendment the voters approved to restore felon voting rights, but as your link states a few months later the legislature passed a law to limit that which made 775000 of those felons no longer eligible.

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Post by mrguyorama »

danaris wrote: post #402
mrguyorama wrote: post #392

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Remember that the conservative take for decades was "if we allow gays to marry, what's next, allowing dogs to get married? Or people to marry kids?" Conservatives have been pushing to make being gay or trans or queer in any way to be morally equivalent or at least directly leading to pedophilia forever.

...And while I honestly never would have believed it a decade ago, it's becoming increasingly and horrifyingly clear just how much of that is naked projection. So much has come out recently about their complicity in both committing and covering up child sexual abuse, and yet due to the prevalence of Fox News and the advent of the "post-truth era", their base—who supposedly cares very deeply about that sort of thing—s…

The reason for this is that a lot of the base has a "Strong man" centric world view, where a good thing is a thing done by a "good" person, meaning a good person can do no wrong and a bad person can do no right, while everything a "good" person does is by definition good.

This means that the people they follow and support can do an identical action to someone they hate, but the liked person does a good thing and the hated person does a bad thing in their eyes.

Take for example, epstein. Both Bill Clinton and Trump (among a hundred others) were clearly and publicly acquaintances of Epstein, however, to conservatives, clinton is a pedophile and trump is innocent.

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Post by chmod600 »

mfer wrote: post #366
chmod600 wrote: post #358

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"What is the role of school?" There are really only two possible answers in the current public school systenlm: 1. Whatever a broad consensus of people want them to do. 2. Whatever a slim majority can impose on the rest. As consensus evaporates, we are left with the latter. This plays out in red/blue states differently. Eventually, we may need to move to a voucher system so that the parents just pick a school that th…

> There are really only two possible answers in the current public school systenlm: There is one more option. Have a small group of people push their agenda while the masses are mostly unaware.

By asking what the role is, you presupposed that we can decide on one, and that it will somehow happen. If the adminstrators and teachers don't fulfill their role, that's a different question.

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Post by indymike »

panzagl wrote: post #252
indymike wrote: post #100

Sounds like a scheme to force schools to only buy from specific publishers... dressed up as a social program. This stuff has to stop.

Don't know why you're being downvoted as the role of educational companies seems to be pretty large in the standardization and homogenization of schools and curriculums. Compared to the large publishers most school districts are pretty small fish- they don't have time to ensure compliance with all the regulations and standards, so their only choice is to buy a curriculum from a publisher. And of course buying a curri…

This is exactly the situation.

The censorship part of the story is a Trojan Horse for a terribly one-sided deal, in favor of the publisher, for every school district in Florida.

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