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Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by dmitriid » Sat, Jan 07, 2023, 7:37 PM UTC

jefftk wrote: post #439

dmitriid wrote: post #438

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> I agree with your #1, #2, or #3 > I do have a coherent view, though It's strange that you agree... and yet your coherent view keeps on repeating the same lies, falsehoods, and keeps conflating things. > My main view is that it should be legal to offer advertising-supported services where users can't just opt out of the advertising. Let me re-iterate: You can still have ads on your site. GDPR does not preclude you f…

> Go to spotify.com, download Spotify, and you will discover (undoubtedly to your surprise) that it offers exactly two tiers: ad-supported, and paid. It's GDPR-compliant. Why do you think Spotify is GDPR compliant? For example, if you look at https://support.spotify.com/us/article/gdpr-article-15-infor... they say "we use your personal data to tailor advertising to your interests" and their declared legal basis is "O…

All I can say is: even though you say you agree with me, you keep deliberately saying the same falsehoods, deliberately clumping disparate and non-related things together, and deliberately misrepresenting and misinterpreting everything related to privacy decisions in Europe.

I've said all I had to say here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34268322

For a person who writes things like "I rarely see enough concern over is that you can't trust the future to keep things private", you do sure go out of your way to defend arbitrary bulk data collection for the most mundane of things, ads. Oh, and the defeatist "we can't expect to keep things private, so to hell with it, no consent for any private data is necessary".

I have nothing to say to you further.

Adieu.

Final food for thought, not that it will convince you: https://jacquesmattheij.com/if-you-have-nothing-to-hide/

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by throw10920 » Mon, Jan 09, 2023, 5:29 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #366

throw10920 wrote: post #340

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You paint a rosy utopian picture about regulation, but regulation is not inherently good. I don't want to live in a society that allows regulation to be used adversarially against business owners to control them and manipulate the market. > It is good when laws prohibit fundamentally immoral behavior. Sure, but that's not relevant, because people don't agree on what "fundamentally immoral behavior" is to begin with (…

I am glad that regulation prohibits human trafficking, despite the 'loss of choice' business owners have as a result. Prohibition is never perfect, but there is certainly a lot less human trafficking than if the market was less 'authoritarian'. In 70 years, I suspect people will view the ad/consumer surveillance industry much like we view the 1950s tobacco industry today.

Your response to my comment is as irrelevant to the original one you posted.

I never said anything about "regulation being inherently bad" or "all regulation should be abolished". I certainly never said or implied anything remotely along the lines of "slavery-adjacent things should be legal".

Please make sure that your comments actually have a connection to the thing you're commenting on before posting them.

Re: Meta prohibited from using personal data for advertisement

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Post by richardfey » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 9:44 AM UTC

whimsicalism wrote: post #336

richardfey wrote: post #191

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I don't understand this "free-rider" depiction of Europe, it sounds to me like a delusional and superficial classification. Can someone please explain the rational observations behind it, if any?

On healthcare, > Pharmaceutical breakthroughs are financed by the high prices paid by American patients (and backed by abundant venture capital); government-run health systems in Europe then bulk-buy the same drugs for much less. If pharma companies did not have expectations for full price to be paid in America, they wouldn't waste their money developing therapies. This effect also applies to pharma companies in Euro…

Is any of this not working towards equilibrium in an open free market? I'm talking about products created thanks to private research, since I believe that research done with taxpayers' money should be open and free (even across countries).