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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by humanistbot »

benreesman wrote: post #424

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consen…

> The Constitution wasn’t designed for this.

The Constitution wasn't designed for a multi-racial democracy, either. It took a bloody civil war to settle the slavery question though.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by beepbooptheory »

benreesman wrote: post #424

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consen…

I know this is just a rhetorical point of yours, but maybe we can start to accept that America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this.

Thinking about it, why would we be? I can't see a good answer to that without appealing to weird/nationalistic/naive ideas about the moral character of states themselves, or simply the understanble nonlogic of "well this is my country, they wouldnt be like that here." At the end of the day, priorites are priorites, incentives are incentives. Efficiency doesn't know or care about culture, it is self-justifying.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by progman32 »

monksy wrote: post #135
andybak wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I've never heard of this and "phoneless/phone encasing" isn't returning much. GP - what?

Look up "phone free" and you'll find the references. What it is: It's a strong fabric case that locks you out of your phone with a very strong magnet.(defaces the object you have) This prevents you from answering the phone, making calls, using the camera etc. Have a medical/police/medical-staff being called back emergency? Good luck buddy, no one cares about this. The company who is doing this is Yondr. They've been…

If a venue insists on treating me like guilty-until-proven-innocent cattle, I will not go. I can't be alone in this sentiment.

A friend of mine uses their phone to run an insulin pump. Are there suitable exceptions? How about doctors which may have obligations to their patient's calls?

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by nonrandomstring »

benreesman wrote: post #424

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consen…

Take some hope. This case exposes the technology for the naked fascism it really is. We always knew this is where it would lead, and that there are few legitimate, ethical uses for face recognition tech. That it was a lawyer taking her kid to a show is priceless and will surely contribute to the blanket ban we all hope for.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by nulbyte »

engineer_22 wrote: post #321
pixl97 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I'm sure she was refunded or that would be another part of the suit. Now, look at these 2 situations. "Hello, I see you are buying this ticket, but since we're not going to let you enter we will prevent you from buying it" is much different from. "Hello, I see you got a baby sitter and took an uber to come down here and now we're refusing you access to a place you had a ticket for, on a reason you could not hav…

> we're refusing you access to a place you had a ticket for, on a reason you could not have possibly predicted" MSG claims to have notified the company twice.

Given the power imbalance here, I'm inclined to side with the individual refused entry. MSG can claim whatever they like. They refused access to an event open to the public to someone who was apparently unaware of their policy. It could easily have been that MSG communicated their intent poorly or not at all. It could also be that the law firm ignored them.

What MSG did was petty and doesn't make only them look bad. Given how iconic they are, to me, they make New York City look bad.

I'm not sure I'd ever want to visit MSG. I work for a well known subsidiary of a well know NYC-based company. Who knows, maybe I'll be on the list one day! I see something like this in the news and think I'm not missing much having never been to NYC. Clearly, MSG hasn't thought through the optics of this. Or, if they did, they think they're too big to need to care. I hope they have another think coming.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by nonrandomstring »

commandlinefan wrote: post #232
kstrauser wrote: post #162

I’m thrilled to see facial recognition applied against people in a position to speak out loudly against it. A lot of people seem OK with it when it’s policing the bad parts of town. This is their reminder that it can be used against them, too.

> it can be used against them, too Is it facial recognition that's the problem here, or the policy itself? In theory, they could hand out pictures of everybody who wasn't allowed in to the security staff and use low-tech facial recognition to enforce the same policy - assuming it was scalable, would it be OK then? I remember reading that IBM got into trouble when it first computerized its personnel files because some…

> Is it facial recognition that's the problem here

Yes I think so. Some technologies are inherently no good, lacking any obvious positive use cases, but enabling obvious abuse. It is a mistake to shift the blame to "policy" or malevolent actors and claim the technology is merely a neutral enabler. No. The technology itself contains a gamut of evils.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by inetknght »

humanistbot wrote: post #441
benreesman wrote: post #424

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consen…

> The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The Constitution wasn't designed for a multi-racial democracy, either. It took a bloody civil war to settle the slavery question though.

And even after the civil war was ended, over 150 years ago, there's still significant portions of people in the modern day who don't act as if the matter is settled.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by chrisbaker98 »

beepbooptheory wrote: post #442
benreesman wrote: post #424

The Constitution wasn’t designed for this. The framers did an amazing job at writing documents and expressing ideals that have held up astonishingly well through insane technological change. But if I want my face catalogued next to my social credit score why not go all in and move to China? It’s not great but the only mechanism in sight that seems equipped to deal with this is restraint semi-enforced by social consen…

I know this is just a rhetorical point of yours, but maybe we can start to accept that America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this. Thinking about it, why would we be? I can't see a good answer to that without appealing to weird/nationalistic/naive ideas about the moral character of states themselves, or simply the understanble nonlogic of "well this is my cou…

> America and the west as whole is not actually significantly different from China with stuff like this.

As someone who has spent many years of my life living outside "America and the West": this is not remotely true.

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