Promotion of alternative social platforms policy • Hacker News Board

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by grepLeigh » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC

mmxmb wrote: post #316

grepLeigh wrote: post #257

Influencers cross-promote their social channels all the time, since each social media network has a different audience. An influencer might post how-to videos on TikTok, re-post to YouTube shorts, then re-purpose the same content as a micro-blog threads on Twitter. There's even a cottage industry of link tree / bio landing pages that consolidate all of your social handles, featured posts, etc into one page. Are those…

> There's even a cottage industry of link tree / bio landing pages that consolidate all of your social handles, featured posts, etc into one page. Are those bio sites going to end up banned on Twitter too? These are already prohibited by the linked policy: “Prohibited platforms: * Facebook, Instagram, Mastodon, Truth Social, Tribel, Post and Nostr * 3rd-party social media link aggregators such as linktr.ee, lnk.bio”

Oh wow, totally missed that - bonkers.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by omoikane » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:00 PM UTC

tlogan wrote: post #117

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #36

Ah damn, I hoped for a fair experiment to demonstrate absordity of total free speech, but istead we got bog standard hypocracy! Boo! If you are caught wondering why some people still support Elon - in 'true conservative' society, like Russia or Saudi states, hypocracy is means of demonstrating hierarchy. So as a leader, you show that you are dominant by demonstrating that rules don't apply to you. That makes you even…

I genuinely believed that he would try to allow more free speech on Twitter. There was a small chance that the experiment will succeed. I guess he never wanted that: he just lied. But why?

Lying leads to anger, and anger leads to engagement.

For some reason, most online communities appear to be fueled by stimuli that are exact opposite of what we find in healthy real life communities. It seems difficult to grow a social network with just positive feedback.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by bko » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

_djo_ wrote: post #350

bko wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But going into a respected tech company like Twitter and gutting 80% of the workforce, acting like you know better than the engineers who built the thing, and rolling out and back policies and features without any real plan or thought, is showing that Elon believes he can just rinse and repeat his grindcore/dictatorial culture on any company and it will be successful. I think gutting 80% of your workforce and showi…

> I think gutting 80% of your workforce and showing that Twitter will continue running as a site is a pretty incredible POC. Twitter may have had some bloat, but it also had excellent SREs and solid reliability engineering. Nobody who knew about that expected it to collapse overnight. But serious failures will happen, as the graceful degradation turns into not-so-graceful outages, new features break things in unexpec…

I'd love to hear some predictions or metrics to look out for in the next few months/years. Tech valuations and free money have been frothy for so long, no one bothered asking what is actually needed to run a service at a meaningful scale, but we may have the answer soon.

I'm reminded of corporate raider Carl Ichan firing 12 floors at of people after spending some time and not being able to figure out what they do. The company was ACM (manufacturing railcars), about 30 years ago. Turns out those 12 floors of people were actually costing jobs in other place just to support them. Well he fired all 12 floors and nothing changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSatPoD2W-o

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by delecti » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

thefounder wrote: post #91

LAC-Tech wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is there any reason why Mastodon can't make a proper mobile app/client?

Is this not official? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.joinmastod...

I've been using it the past few days, and it works great.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by RivieraKid » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

For anyone thinking that Elon has changed - he hasn't, it's just that the mask is slipping more often due to stress and an increasing feeling of invulnerability.

He was like this 5 years ago - taking pleasure in publicly humiliating employees, attacking journalists, outbursts of rage during which he shouts and curses, lying, emailing journalists to write about him (in early days of Tesla).

I recommend "The sociopath next door" or the JCS channel on YouTube to understand this personality type.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by danShumway » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

EastSmith wrote: post #244

pixelmonkey wrote: post #208

Worth mentioning that this policy might have suspended John Carmack for this tweet a couple days ago, announcing his resignation from Meta: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1603931899810004994... This is a very, very, very bad policy and shows with absolute clarity that Twitter is far from a free speech platform. Which deeply saddens me. Imagine how absurd it would be for Reddit or Hacker News to have a polic…

No, it will not get Carmack banned, because he is not promoting his FB account. He links to a news worthy post.

I'm going through so much whiplash from the speed of Elon's transition from "it's wrong for Twitter to decide who's public/newsworthy enough for a checkmark" to "we'll allow crossposting if we decide it's a newsworthy piece of content."

I guess we all expected this, but it's just wild how quickly it happened.

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Post by spritefs » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

United857 wrote: post #13

FB and IG banned but Snap, TikTok, LinkedIn or YouTube are fine?

> Snap, TikTok, LinkedIn

Idrk how someone would link to Snap, links to TikTok are really uncommon for some reason, LinkedIn is in a different market and is likely less of a direct competitor

> YouTube

This one is too big with no well known alternative, he wouldn't get away with it

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by modeless » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

Chinjut wrote: post #418

modeless wrote: post #404

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One could argue that but one would be wrong because cross-posting is clearly allowed if you read the whole policy instead of just the first section.

There's no need to defend Elon here. Clearly what will happen is highly capricious enforcement based on who he personally likes and dislikes.

Don't ascribe motivations to me without evidence. This is not a defense of Elon Musk. I think this policy is stupid. But our criticisms of it should be correct. Otherwise we're no better than our opponents.

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Post by ancapsfascists » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

captainmuon wrote: post #414

Seriously, why do employees at Twitter comply with all this? Just because Musk signed some paper shouldn't mean that he gets to decide. (Don't say he is the owner and has the rights, I know the factual legal situation. I'm talking about what should be.) We need more civil disobedience. Somebody should "occupy" the servers. Somebody should say "no". And because they are organized, when Musk tries to kick them out, sec…

Because if they don't they have 60 days before they get deported.

Re: Promotion of alternative social platforms policy

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Post by 6510 » Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 7:01 PM UTC

bko wrote: post #179

kevinmgranger wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's because Musk is commonly defended, and borderline worshiped across most of HN. The downfall of twitter is the perfect opportunity for a wake-up call. And that's why this type of comment is more and more visible.

So you're saying that low quality low information comments are "sticking it to him and his supporters" as opposed to a more thought out comment regarding the policy or direction? And this will "wake up" his supporters by calling him a narcissist and thin skinned for the umpteenth time (in the same comment thread!)

We were all obviously hoping for interesting technology. In stead free advertisement is replaced by no advertisement? Even if all ad-tech would be terrible there must be 1000 less terrible applicable ideas of which 900 unoriginal.

Everything twitter reminds me of its early days when people argued we didn't need RSS anymore. How I mocked the platformists with the hypothetical. Had I told them exactly what is going on right now I wouldn't have believed it myself.

Maybe other social services will/should follow the example? I hear the new RSS spec will ban linking to other RSS feeds.