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Post by nhod »

dragontamer wrote: post #289
aborochoff wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

> power of attorney My grandma is beginning to look like she has dementia. But we, as a family, aren't at a point where we're thinking of taking away her agency. She's a proud woman and always has been. In many cases, its probably better for the person for them to keep their agency. If they're only going to lose money, its really not that big of a deal. We're more concerned about what if she has a fall by herself or…

> If they're only going to lose money, its really not that big of a deal.

This depends on what will happen after they run out of money.

Someone very close to me has an untreated dual diagnosis (mentally ill + substance abuse disorder). She is otherwise young and intelligent, and with treatment she could at least theoretically have a full life. However she refuses all attempts at help, has been unemployed for over a year, is paranoid and isolated and alone from and abusive to friends and family, is burning through her savings, and will soon get to the point where she will have to foreclose on her house.

At that point she will literally be an unemployed, homeless, mentally ill drug addict.

This is a major problem in our individualistic society with no easy answer. As my coach says, people don’t change when they see the light, only when they feel the heat. She may need to crash and burn, and she may pick herself back up. But the odds on that happening for someone in her position are not good.

And meanwhile we all have to watch someone we love slowly descend into ruin.

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Post by kristjansson »

MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #131
dmix wrote: post #114

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When only the rejects use the sites of course it's going to be full of bad content. That doesn't mean there isn't value in free speech being better valued on mainstream platforms.

When given the choice between platforms, why do you think the majority continues to congregate on the more restrictive ones?

Why are we here instead of 4chan? Why does everyone that uses email use a spam filter?

Direct, unfiltered exposure to the firehouse is at best banal, and at worst disgusting and self-destructive. It's an _awful_ job that ~no one would chose to do for themselves.

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Post by n65463f23_4 »

Joeri wrote: post #256
mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

I used to be free speech absolutist, but I am not any longer, especially when it comes to social media. The argument in favor of absolute free speech for me was basically “let everyone hear everything and make up their own mind”. This presumes that people are swayed by the content of an argument. This is a false assumption, people are mostly swayed by the volume of the argument. This is well documented in psychologic…

this is not an argument against absolute free speech, its an argument against social media and discourse being controlled by algorithms

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Post by djur »

jimbob45 wrote: post #398
tptacek wrote: post #117

This is really a story about a celebrity's mental illness and public breakdown. If you haven't been following the news, West has spent the week saying increasingly unhinged things, not just about politics but about Pete Davidson, his wife, and (if I'm remembering right) his kids and the fake actor children that have been installed in his former home to corrupt them. He was interviewed for a show on Fox and a big chun…

To be clear, he's saying that it felt like everyone already had their message about Uvalde coordinated before the Uvalde event had fully come out in the news to the point where even The Gap, a store as removed as possible from being a news organization, had a message prepared. That feels different than "people at the Gap knew about Uvalde". Is that still an insane thing to say?

First, he said that it "felt like the people at the Gap knew about the school shooting that Matthew McConaughey was talking about before it even happened", comparing it to the movie _The Truman Show_. In response to Carlson's request for clarification he does say "I'm not saying that they did" but he clearly doesn't rule it out, either.

Second, it's not clear what statement by The Gap he's talking about, but my guess is that this is related to the delayed launch of his product line:

https://www.billboard.com/culture/lifestyle/kanye-west-gap-p...

The "coordinated message" here appears to be "it is bad that children were killed".

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Post by uncomputation »

mrtksn wrote: post #11

Musk and everyone else is right that we do need a platform with free speech. The only problem is that all those free speech advocates are actually NIMBY's when it comes to free speech. I have been following self proclaimed free speech absolutists(because I too, believe in free speech but don't believe it exists) and they are totally not the kind of people that say "I hate what you say but I will die defending your ri…

> because at least we can hold them responsible when they don't deliver it

This is a common but I believe overstated, even naive, ideal. What exactly does "holding them responsible" even truly mean? If a company is greenwashing and they are still emitting carbon, what really is the difference between the company who never claimed to care at all? The carbon is emitted all the same. "Oh, the stock price would fall because investors would lose trust." But greenwashing is a dime a dozen these days and I think the investors/upper class know that greenwashing is just marketing and don’t truly expect/care about the cause.

Regarding this, how does anyone hold Parler accountable for making a platform of "free speech"? Either you sign up or you don’t. If you sign up and complain they aren’t extreme enough, they don’t care or at least they don’t have any material reason to care. If you don’t, where else are you going to go? Twitter? But the whole demographic is people who didn’t like Twitter in the first place and want to be with their kind. So how do you "hold them accountable" without say, legislation, regulation, and government oversight, something today’s "free" speech advocates are opposed to?

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

dudeinjapan wrote: post #399

I'm gonna be a contrarian here and say I'm genuinely excited to see what Yeezy does with the platform, assuming its not just a passing interest. For all his antics, his work in music and fashion is legit, and those two are a large reason people are on social media today. If we required artists be 100% free of mental illness, we would not have Van Gogh, Georgia O'Keeffe, Kusama Yayoi, Michelangelo, Brian Wilson, etc.…

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Post by Domenic_S »

dragontamer wrote: post #289
aborochoff wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So apparently its evident to a lot of people on hacker news that kanye has a mental illness and is making bad decisions because of it. If this is the case why hasnt someone tried to take power of attorney or something similar here?

> power of attorney My grandma is beginning to look like she has dementia. But we, as a family, aren't at a point where we're thinking of taking away her agency. She's a proud woman and always has been. In many cases, its probably better for the person for them to keep their agency. If they're only going to lose money, its really not that big of a deal. We're more concerned about what if she has a fall by herself or…

> Has anyone close to you been in a mentally ill situation? Have you ever tried to tell someone you love, someone you trusted, someone you used to look up to that their mental capabilities have declined and that you no longer trust them to watch over themselves?

I have, but it doesn't really look like that. It's a gradual assumption of responsibilities by the caregivers that roughly corresponds to the person's decline.

> do you think taking away their ability to use their bank account is the solution to that problem?

It's a solution, yes, when they could dramatically harm their situation/themselves doing things they no longer have the capacity to understand.

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

c3534l wrote: post #425
AlwaysRock wrote: post #213

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It's sad because to become successful Kanye had to ignore hundreds/thousands of important people telling him he wasnt good enough and he would never make it as a rapper. Then he became, arguably, the most popular rapper/hip hop artist of all time. Now image you've done what seems impossible despite countless people telling you it wont work out. You are in the top 1% of fame. Now someone tells you your other ideas are…

I don't know much about Kanye, but are reports of people telling him he didn'h have talent to be a rapper genuine, or just something he tells people? Because it sounds like the sort of thing people make up for their own personal narrative. It reminds me of when people say things like "the doctor told me I only had a year to live" - which is something no doctor would actually say because its a massive legal liability,…

Parent commenter is reading too much into Kanye's first struggles to become a rapper in light of this Parler purchase. But parent commenter is right that no one saw Kanye as a rapper initially. Back then, Kanye was only known as a beatsmith and producer, not someone to actually be on the track.

Kanye has a song off his album College Graduation where he talks about his initial troubles[1]

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpbeS15sHZ0&ab_channel=Kanye...

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Post by mikkergp »

jonny_eh wrote: post #412
mikkergp wrote: post #396

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Not that it makes it better, but Elon also said he suffered from bipolar disorder.

He's also claimed that he has Asperger's, without any evidence.

Not having access to their psych records, I think all we have to go on is what they claim.

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Post by blaser-waffle »

smrtinsert wrote: post #150
evgen wrote: post #130

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He has also become quite tight with Candace Owens recently. She has been publicly supporting his persecution complex and appeared with him in the White Lives Matter t-shirt incident at the Paris Fashion Week event. I will give you two guesses who the CEO of Parler is married to...

This is shameful. You couldn't ask for a clearer example of taking advantage of a vulnerable person.

Agit-Prop runs on "useful idiots". High profile idiots are especially useful.
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