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Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by cma »

TheCoelacanth wrote: post #343
cma wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The king/queen can dissolve parliament: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_Uni... It is only by convention that he doesn't, that will only last until you get a bad king/queen and thr right opportunity.

It's only by convention that Parliament doesn't chop the King's head off. I would imagine that convention will last approximately the same amount of time.

> In some nations that follow the Westminster system of government, such as the United Kingdom, ex post facto laws are possible, because the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy allows Parliament to pass any law it wishes.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law

Just get that fixed as well, that's not a great thing to have around.

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by wheelinsupial »

darkr wrote: post #412
toomanybeersies wrote: post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The king is paid from earnings generated by the Crown Estate [0], which is basically a state owned property investment fund. From my understanding, taxpayer money hasn't been used to fund the monarchy since the 1700s. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate

The sovereign grant currently running around £90M/year: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_Grant_Act_2011

By no means am I an expert on this, but it looks like the sovereign grant is a tax refund paid to the crown from the taxes that the Crown Estate pays.

https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-57559653.amp

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by petre »

matthewh806 wrote: post #109
dijit wrote: post #9

They aren’t being arrested for being anti-monarchy though. They are being arrested for being rude about it. Was the fella on radio 4 who stated to the entire nation that ‘King Charles and his family should be put in a council house and that the Monarchy should be abolished’ arrested? No. If you are going to attend a funeral, any funeral, be it the Queen’s or anyone else’s and hurl abuse or hold up signs with obscenit…

I see this exact same comment did pretty well on Reddit too: https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingdom/comments/xckw5v/comme... 1. Not all of the arrests have been made at a "funeral" 2. It wasn't a funeral 3. If you're going to have a very public precession, parading a body through the streets with all the obedients lapping it up, surely you have to have a level of tolerance for dissenting voices? I imagine the disrupt…

If the Scottish independence referendum was called for today, after Brexit, Boris Johnson and the Queen's passing away, it would probably have an entirelly different outcome.

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Post by brainfish »

mrcsd wrote: post #429
haltingproblem wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your link: The Constitution of the United Kingdom or British constitution comprises the written and unwritten arrangements that establish the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a political body. Unlike in most countries, no attempt has been made to codify such arrangements into a single document, thus it is known as an uncodified constitution. This enables the constitution to be easily chang…

Of course I agree that there is no written constitution, I said as much above. But there _is_ a constitution. Constitutions do not have to be written, unless you think otherwise?

If there's just one British constitution and everyone agrees on it, then it seems like writing it down would be pretty trivial.

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Post by cuteboy19 »

noncoml wrote: post #177

“Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government” And no, I don’t mean it as a joke If Britain wants to survive the next 100 years, they need to make some brave decisions. Dissolve monarchy and the class system, get back into EU, and hope Scotland will not declare independence. Also, USA, wtf, why are you flying the flag at half staff? Did you forget what you fought about in 17…

>Did you forget what you fought about in 1776

I am equally frustrated with India doing the same. Though we did it for Shinzo Abe so it's fine I guess

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Post by fennecfoxen »

robomartin wrote: post #390
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

One thing I will never understand about people who pretty much hate where they live for one reason or another: Why don't they leave? Seriously. I am not taking sides here. I have visited the UK as a tourist and on business a zillion times over the last four decades. And yet, I am not qualified to voice opinion as to the realities of living there. From the outside, as someone visiting from the US, for lack of a better…

> Why don't they leave?

Exactly how feasible do you think that suggestion is? What’s your guess on the budget you’d need for legal fees alone? (Using EU freedom of movement laws is cheating.)

Re: Anti-royal protesters are being arrested in the U.K. as 'Not My King' tag grows

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Post by whrobbins »

brutusborn wrote: post #339
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

What is sickening about a smooth transition of power? The main thing you seem to criticise is the ritual itself, which to me seems pretty normal, albeit grandiose.

"Smooth transition of power" is a good way to put it in the modern era. In centuries past, citizens would pray on their hands and knees for a system as quick and streamlined as this one.

When there is ambiguity in who holds power, there is conflict, instability, bloodshed, etc. This is why countries used to throw enormous festivals celebrating the birth of a monarch's first-born son — it means the succession plan has become entirely unambiguous, and stability has been ensured for years to come.

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Post by orange8 »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

I believe it has always been that quick for hundreds of years. Where else would the phrase "the king is dead, long live the king" come from?

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Post by NonNefarious »

austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

No post body was provided.

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Post by NonNefarious »

phpthrowaway99 wrote: post #378
austinjp wrote: post #327

The UK media (not just the BBC) continue to profess "amazement" at the speed and efficiency of the transitioning from a dead monarch to a living one. There's been much speaking in awed tones at the pace of the various proclamations, committee meetings, document signings, etc, as if this pace tells us why we should be impressed. Personally I've found it borderline sickening. If there was a curtain that could have slip…

You say it's not okay. I say it is. Unless you have something more this is basically just a random opinion stated as if it wasn't an opinion.

As if it WEREN'T an opinion.

But I agree with your sentiment.

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