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Post by fullstop »

reaperducer wrote: post #439
fullstop wrote: post #430

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Something else to consider is that EVs can remain idle in traffic without consuming much battery. They're not constantly consuming fuel like most ICE vehicles.

But if you're fleeing a hurricane, chances are you have the air conditioner on. It's generally hot and humid. You. Any have the windows open because of the rain, but you need the AC to keep the windshield clear. How does that affect battery use in an EV?

Tesla has "Camp Mode" which can regulate the temperature for nearly two days on a full charge.

I don't have a Tesla, but maybe someone here does and can chime in.

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Post by abecedarius »

sandworm101 wrote: post #55
oaththrowaway wrote: post #18

I love the idea of an EV, but I hate how unfriendly they are towards self-repair and I don't want my car connected to the internet. Also an EV has more battery capacity than my house so it'd be pretty hard to charge a car in the winter when I can barely keep my house batteries running my house.

I just completed a ~1600km drive back from visiting family. Half way through the outbound trip, in the middle of the mountains, I had to make a 300km detour due to a massive accident (two semi trucks head-on closed a mountain highway for more than a day). The detour was through a valley with no cellphone coverage for 150+km. At a rest stop I met a tesla driver in a panic. Without internet he was unable to figure out…

Sounds like a need for an offline map of charging stations. If I were Tesla I'd want to include one in the regular updates?

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Post by michaelt »

crooked-v wrote: post #147
eyelidlessness wrote: post #137

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As both a cyclist and pedestrian, I definitely prefer bikes off the sidewalk. Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. Even if they get both of those right, they’ve frequently terrified my pup by just being faster and louder and larger than anything on foot she’s ever met. I’ve had to return hom…

> separated bike infrastructure > drivers trying to navigate it Well, there's your problem - it's not actually separated.

If you have a T junction, either you're going to have the car path going through the bike path, or you'll need a bridge or tunnel.

And the best places for cycle commuting have high density - meaning more T junctions per mile.

'Truly separated' bike infrastructure isn't easy.

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

crims0n wrote: post #426
zizee wrote: post #419

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> Sometimes it feels like there is a group of EV elites out there that are predicting the complete demise of ICEs while conveniently downplaying the problem of charging access. I see the opposite. Every single discussion of EVs, people come out of the woodwork with all the edgecases/usecaes where current EVs don't fare so favourably to ICEs. Guess what! EVs don't have to be perfect in every scenario to be better for…

Let me add one more, and I don't think it's an edge case but for some reason nobody talks about it - a large percentage of people just don't want them. That, to me, is the biggest blocker of adoption. Most of the other arguments people have against EVs are engineering problems that would be solved quickly if demand was high enough - but demand is not high, only 2.5% of automobile sales in the US were EVs last year, a…

if you think people don't want them, try to buy one. the main reason that they're only 2.5% of sales is because not enough are being made.

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Post by lnsru »

988747 wrote: post #380
rootusrootus wrote: post #44

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Plausible, but I always come back to TCO. The real reason EVs are suddenly gaining traction is that prices for gasoline spiked and a lot of people are finally realizing that EVs typically cost much less to fuel. Think about how people suddenly start trading in pickups for compact cars when gas prices have spiked in the past -- and maybe that to save 25-50% on fuel cost. A bunch of people are realizing that going to E…

Prices of electricity have spiked as well in Europe, thanks to the war in Ukraine. I just recently read an article saying that in Netherlands it's now more expensive to drive electric car than gasoline powered one.

I don’t agree. All of my cars consumed ~8 liter petrol/diesel for 100 km. Electric vehicle of the same size needs less than 25 kwh. I agree, that using that very special 250 kW ionity charger petrol car is cheaper. But it’s extreme case. There are enough slower chargers with sane price making electrical vehicles very economic.

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Post by Theodores »

darkteflon wrote: post #29

I feel like predictions on EV adoption generally focus too much on practical benefits and cost improvements over time, but discount - or at least fail to mention - the potential impact of ICE products becoming very uncool, very quickly - at least in Western countries. Overnight, even. It’s not a big stretch to imagine that generations of younger people concerned about the climate might make product consumption choice…

Predictions are just that. Right now it costs more in the Netherlands to charge your electric car than to fill up your petrol car. I never anticipated that could happen. With what is happening in the European energy market this might become the norm, making car buyers not 'make the mistake of buying EV again'.

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Post by johannes1234321 »

endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

Further benefits: biking with proper infrastructure without cars is possible for children as well and for those who can't afford a car or (as eBike or tricycle) for the elder who don't want to drive anymore. This gives mobility to large groups of society.

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Post by P5fRxh5kUvp2th »

krisoft wrote: post #266
eyelidlessness wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As both a cyclist and pedestrian, I definitely prefer bikes off the sidewalk. Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. Even if they get both of those right, they’ve frequently terrified my pup by just being faster and louder and larger than anything on foot she’s ever met. I’ve had to return hom…

> Even conscientious cyclists who call “on your left” or whatever routinely underestimate the necessary reaction time and overestimate how far their voice will carry. You are absolutely right. As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment. Even if you do the even more conscientious thing and you slow all the way down to match speed with them, and then “wa…

> As a cyclist there isn’t really any good way to reliably avoid startling a pedestrian in a mixed environment.

Why couldn't you just ask (or require) bicyclists to use bells or horns of some sort? Pedestrians would get used to the noise after a while.

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Post by 0x53 »

dddddddd111 wrote: post #178
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

> I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. I don't love EVs yet, but I would love a reasonably priced electric motorcycle. I'm not even sure if overall they are greener with the current grid.

Look into the sondors meta cycle. Around $6500.

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Post by driverdan »

mlni wrote: post #401
endisneigh wrote: post #74

I love EVs. That being said I wish someone would make an enclosed bicycle/motorcycle that costs less than $2000. Something like that which can go 30mph and had space for 2 days of groceries would be enough for me to eliminate my car all together. I'm cobbling something similar now with a Class 3 cargo ebike, but rain sucks =/ The idealist in me says that electric ebikes could eliminate most of Americas problems in on…

There are a bunch of these four-wheel bikes ( https://vokbikes.com/ ) rolling around where I live. They're meant for commercial use and are slow enough for sidewalks and they do have a roof covering the rider. Cost more than $2000 though.

Four wheel bikes are technically illegal in some places. Texas, for example, considers anything with three or more wheels a motorcycle or car and requires that it be registered.
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