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Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Adguard provides public DNS servers that can be used for blocking ads on your phone as well, no VPN required: https://adguard-dns.io/kb/general/dns-providers/

Which has now gone open-source: https://adguard.com/en/blog/adguard-dns-2-0-goes-open-source...

Very cool, I didn't know about that, thanks for sharing!

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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95% of users have no idea what any of this is.

Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users. The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that…

>The end of online advertising is an existential threat for a massive part of the tech industry. If that cash cow ends there would be a huge reduction in money for devs, and a massive flood of devs on to the market. Economics 101 should tell you how bad that would be for most HN readers.

That's as may be, but little of value would be lost IMHO.

Well, except by those supporting (in a myriad of ways) the cesspit of advertising online and elsewhere.

I'm sure many will disagree with my assessment, but advertising as it's done today is invasive, obnoxious and alarmingly ubiquitous.

I'm not sure what a better model is, but this is not the way.

N.B: Advertising paid for my food, clothing, housing, etc. for the first 18 years of my life. And a couple years later for another five years as well.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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I categorically reject ads. I want them completely abolished. I will do everything that's in my power to get them out of my machines. If I had just a little bit more courage I would go out at night with cans of spray paint and deface billboards.

"I will do everything that's in my power" Will you pay money for the content you consume?

I pay for several subscription services, yet they always want more and more of my data. Whatever I give, it's never enough, they want to have their cake and eat it too.

I use open source stuff when I can, and similarly, I contribute to the projects when I can. This seems to be the only legitimate way to avoid ads.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users. The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that…

This is some massive hyperbole and really makes me consider if online advertising should be abolished or massively kneecapped. Maybe we should ask users for money because the alternative has become some kafkaesque hellscape where people think it's totally normal to have a dozen ad trackers when attempting to buy shoes. These trackers have an enormous costs and maybe their externalities should be taxed and regulated.…

I think online advertising as we know it will be essentially dead by the end of the decade. Because most businesses are paying for google ads, you're basically paying a highway toll for the organic traffic you would get for free anyway, and advertisers haven't figured out the ruse. This whole idea that people search for A and are going to be willing to instead click on B if you put it at the top is super overblown -- 99% of the time they still want to and will click on A, they'll just scroll down. Impressions in search don't convert people anymore. This is why people's bounce rates have become worse and worse since the 2010s -- most ad clicks are miss-clicks.

And when people _are_ shopping around, they search for things like "best vpn providers 2022" and then go to that article and look at the breakdown. People don't click on B unless they're already sold on it, and search placement just isn't doing it for people anymore because the ad results have just been so bad for so long all trust is gone.

The modern populace has become completely innoculated against the effectiveness of search ads imo. Most people don't even see those results they have mental blinders and scroll down a bit.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Since ADSL1 the web has felt much the same. Of course there was flash to deal with rhen too. Now back when we had 56K Modems was when it really was unusable! I don't how sites think i want to read an article and warxh a totally unrelated video at the same time. I'm really starting to miss old style magazines lately. Click bait and fake headlines about the next iphone have ruinwd the web.

The jump up to 5mbps down was the last time I felt like upgrading my internet made the web a noticeably better experience, it was incredible to be able to watch videos at an okay quality without pausing for buffering. Everything else has been only incremental improvements that have been eaten up by increasing inefficiency, and my only gains have been higher resolution video streams and faster video game downloads (al…

It becomes most noticeable for me when my phone can only get 3G or lower. Once upon a time this was enough to pull up a variety of web pages without too much wait, but now it might as well be no connection at all.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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>In terms of simplicity, the native content type, “gemtext”, is meant to be loaded in a single request, therefore there are no inline images, no iFrames, fonts, scripts or anything else. Good luck replacing the web with request/response markdown. I would figure at the least something that could serve Wikipedia would be a bare minimum.

It sounds like that can serve wikipedia, just without inline pictures. In fact, the cursory reading suggests that you can even have pictures if they're not in line. I admit that that's a small step down from the current experience, but it might be worth it.

I guess the larger picture is we all know the internet-at-large community would never accept it.

Can you imagine ATT or Amazon or whatever company website as a slightly fancier markdown file?

The only people that would do it are blogger types.

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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I finally got fed up with ads on youtube and decided to put my money where my mouth is vis-a-vis supporting business models that I want to succeed (paying for content instead of with my eyeballs). I have a little-used gmail account that I registered a few years ago, as my original gmail became completely overrun with spam and I switched to Fastmail. I added a credit card to the account and tried to pay for Youtube Pr…

Chances are they saw the login as fraud given it went unused via years and the first thing that login did was sign up for YT Premium via a credit card. A potential problem they're trying to prevent might be where money launderers use google accounts to funnel YT Premium money to specific channels via watch time (since Premium pays out a lot more, and pay per minute watched[0]). 0: https://youtu.be/Rh5hL47z2us?t=100

I'm sure they have the best intentions but there's literally no way to appeal it. Why can't they verify the credit card the way every other merchant seems to be able to?

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Firefox for Android with ublock origin makes my mobile web browsing sane again. Highly recommended.

so if i install a recommended mozilla add-on like ublock origin that has an extreme permission like "access your data for all websites" does that mean that every update to the add-on sees rigorous security review by mozilla before it is pushed?

if not, is there some mechanism in place that can reduce worries around software supply chain attacks on a privileged piece of software like this?

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

95% of users have no idea what any of this is.

Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users. The key thing that most people in tech don't appear to grok very easily is that…

"Developer wages would crash through the floor and all the way down to the centre of the Earth if ad blockers really took off without users also accepting micropayments or subscriptions for web services at the same time. Maybe we should be a little bit glad that the main thing keeping massive amounts of money in tech is accepted by users."

Somewhere, somebody is saying, "Maybe we shouldn't sell drugs to children?" And somebody else is saying, "Won't somebody think of the wages for chemists?"

Re: Google cracks down on VPN based adblockers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like that can serve wikipedia, just without inline pictures. In fact, the cursory reading suggests that you can even have pictures if they're not in line. I admit that that's a small step down from the current experience, but it might be worth it.

I guess the larger picture is we all know the internet-at-large community would never accept it. Can you imagine ATT or Amazon or whatever company website as a slightly fancier markdown file? The only people that would do it are blogger types.

Yes, that's true. Although in some ways that's not a problem with the technology; companies would hate it in no small part because it limits the anti-user things they can do, which is part of the appeal.
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