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egypturnash wrote: post #221
projektfu wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has active communities of people who just repost other subreddits to laugh at, get outraged at, or bully. In theory the bullying and brigading is supposed to be moderated against but weakly moderated niche subreddits can sometimes find themselves under attack. That rarely happened with phpBB but I don't know about Discord. That fact makes me feel a little old.

Sites for pointing at people and mocking them for being different have been with us much longer than Reddit. SomethingAwful. 4chan. LJDrama. alt.fan.warlord. The current main site in this space is Kiwifarms and I sure won't be sad if Cloudflare finally decides to stop protecting them from the DDOS consequences of their actions. Bulletin boards with any kind of roadbump to registration could make it a bit harder for a…

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Post by Gatsky »

nmcela wrote: post #412

I'm grateful to Slack for their changes in the free plan, it forced our hands. We realized it's obvious we can't trust any of these external SaaS services, in the long run they will ALWAYS change the terms and somehow fuck the customers, paying or not. And then you will lose all the invaluable information and data that belongs to you. This has happened with other services we've used in the past too. So we decided to…

This should be the top comment.

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Post by rattray »

nmcela wrote: post #412

I'm grateful to Slack for their changes in the free plan, it forced our hands. We realized it's obvious we can't trust any of these external SaaS services, in the long run they will ALWAYS change the terms and somehow fuck the customers, paying or not. And then you will lose all the invaluable information and data that belongs to you. This has happened with other services we've used in the past too. So we decided to…

Thank you for sharing your experience, this is very useful!

> Along with these came many new business opportunities

Curious to hear more?

Also curious how long you've been running this stack and how large your organization is?

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by EdwardDiego »

joshspankit wrote: post #208
jmull wrote: post #163

People should understand this: A free tier is a loss-leader, intended to support sales of the paid product. If too many “…have been happily using Slack’s free plan for years”, then Slack will have to change the terms. Generally, storage and access to storage cost money. If you aren’t paying for it, it is definitely temporary, whether anyone says it explicitly or not. I don’t just mean in a “nothing lasts forever” way…

True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

By now, I'm pretty sure everyone who was going to use Slack has used Slack.

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Post by TomSwirly »

joshspankit wrote: post #208
jmull wrote: post #163

People should understand this: A free tier is a loss-leader, intended to support sales of the paid product. If too many “…have been happily using Slack’s free plan for years”, then Slack will have to change the terms. Generally, storage and access to storage cost money. If you aren’t paying for it, it is definitely temporary, whether anyone says it explicitly or not. I don’t just mean in a “nothing lasts forever” way…

True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

> Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth.

They did that already. Years ago, they did that. Now everyone knows about slack.

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

_8j50 wrote: post #219

No problem against it but please don't migrate to discord, migrate to Matrix. My plea has nothing to do with product quality but that with Matrix I can access other bridged people. But discord and pals not so much. Wasting 8gb ram on slack, already on gitter, teams, google meet and I am not even a people's person others have more platforms active in parallel. This is why I don't support any platform that does not als…

There's a talk that made the same points: Signal: You were the chosen one.

https://media.ccc.de/v/mch2022-196-signal-you-were-the-chose...

Discussed: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32244795

Re: Slack’s free plan change is causing an exodus

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Post by input_sh »

p1esk wrote: post #360
claaams wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roles and channel permissions. I can't assign a role to someone and grant them granular permissions in slack like I can discord. I'm either a guest, user, admin or owner. Slack does app integrations and bots pretty well.

Example of granular permissions?

Think of it as "tagging" users. Instead of a user fitting a single pre-defined category, you can add tags to a user.

To give an example, let's say you have both a Discord channel and a Slack channel with the same 10 people working on a project, 7 of which are software developers. To mention the developers, your Slack option is either @everyone (including 3 non-developers) or individually. On Discord you can create @developers and add only those seven, not bothering the other 3.

You can really go buckwild with that basic concept: only admin can tag @everyone, only @talkers can join a voice channel, only @projectmanagers can run some bot, only @collaborators can post to #project, @watchers can read #project but not post, while those that are neither @collaborators nor @watchers don't even see the channel... And in #otherproject you can have those same people in totally different groups and with different roles.

Way more customizable than by just having public/private channels and @everyone at your disposal, as Slack does.

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Post by pyinstallwoes »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #445
joshspankit wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but there’s also something vital that does not show on the balance sheet (and can sink companies): Excellent tools spread through the best kind of word of mouth. Excellent tools that are free spread even faster and further. There’s no way to know how many corporate plans were sold because a single team member relied on Slack outside of work, or how many pro user accounts exist because someone was visiting a Sla…

By now, I'm pretty sure everyone who was going to use Slack has used Slack.

How can you possibly measure that?

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Post by threatofrain »

jmull wrote: post #163

People should understand this: A free tier is a loss-leader, intended to support sales of the paid product. If too many “…have been happily using Slack’s free plan for years”, then Slack will have to change the terms. Generally, storage and access to storage cost money. If you aren’t paying for it, it is definitely temporary, whether anyone says it explicitly or not. I don’t just mean in a “nothing lasts forever” way…

Would one say the same thing about GitHub?
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