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Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by DocTomoe » Sat, Aug 27, 2022, 9:40 PM UTC

someguydave wrote: post #434

DocTomoe wrote: post #423

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I think you may forget about Afghanistan, 1979. And yes, I really think that. I do not think many sensible people believe in a looming Russian invasion of Germany.

Ok but what about Poland? Germany is obligated to defend Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, etc. You honestly think Russia will not invade them? Or that Germany will not be obligated to spill blood in their defense?

> Ok but what about Poland?

Given how deeply ungrateful the Polish government has been towards the rest of Europe, especially Germany, in the last twenty years or so, pulling the evil German Nazi card whenever their will was not completely fulfilled while at the same time leeching off mostly Germany-originated monies, they can go suck it for all I care.

> Germany is obligated to defend Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, etc.

Nope. Read the relevant contracts. Nowhere in it it says that we need to "defend" anyone. NATO Article 5 states that an attack on one of the member states would be considered an attack against them all - and countries have endured attacks without retaliating (See: USS Liberty incident).

> You honestly think Russia will not invade them?

Not in the immediate future. Russia is overextended as it stands, they are obviously unable to stage another war for quite some time.

> Or that Germany will not be obligated to spill blood in their defense?

Also, we are not obligated to spill blood in defence. NATO Article 5 just states that we must take an action that we consider necessary - and not to aid the affected party member - but to restore peace and stability in Europe. If an aggressor blitzkrieged say Estonia, the whole thing was over in 24 hours, and everyone remaining was convinced that that's the end of it, peace and stability would return without any action necessary. Also, actions can be very little., they could be a strongly worded WhatsApp message to the aggressor.

This ambiguous meaning has been put in by the US, by the way, supposedly because they themselves thought it was not a good idea to sacrifice New York for Paris.

And Article 42(7) TEU only talks about "mutual aid" in case of armed conflict, which can be as little as sending some rice crackers.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by phtrivier » Sun, Aug 28, 2022, 8:35 PM UTC

lispm wrote: post #189

phtrivier wrote: post #130

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> they don't have public pressure against it There _is_ public pressure against nuclear, but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear. It has become a mostly partisan topic. > We are not far away from a new Fukushima, but this time in Europe. Except we technically _already_ had "Fukushima in Europe" 40 years ago, and for most people, life just went on. I agree that if anything goes bad a the Ukrainian plant (FSM forbids)…

> but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear where is the pressure in France against nuclear? I can remember civil war like situations at construction sites in Germany years ago. A political movement that spawned a new party which now is, again, in a ruling coalition.

In the French version of the same party (EELV), as well as in at least one of its main "coalition" partner (LFI).

In the left-wing press in general (Liberation, Le Monde and Le Canard Enchaîné are _patently_ antinuke).

In the minds of french people, also, who are very ambivalent about the topic (as measured by... The nuclear industry itself [1])

In regular demonstrations against the Bure waste disposal project, and In general snarkiness about the nuclear plants producing exactly as much current during maintenance as solar panels during the night.

Now, to be fair, this split is more 30% against, 30% for, and 30 % "does not care and is happy to have relatively cheap electricity and no major incident for the last 60 years".

The side that is mostly against nuclear is also very good at _not_ winning elections.

Far right could very much have decided to go antinuke too, but for some reason they decided being anti wind was a better bet.

The rest of the country is in this weird middle stage were it's not popular to be pro nuke if you want to score with girls at parties, but you'll kinda be anyway.

[1] https://www.bva-group.com/sondages/francais-nucleaire-sondag...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by lispm » Sun, Aug 28, 2022, 9:24 PM UTC

phtrivier wrote: post #442

lispm wrote: post #189

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> but it's at 50/50 vs support for nuclear where is the pressure in France against nuclear? I can remember civil war like situations at construction sites in Germany years ago. A political movement that spawned a new party which now is, again, in a ruling coalition.

In the French version of the same party (EELV), as well as in at least one of its main "coalition" partner (LFI). In the left-wing press in general (Liberation, Le Monde and Le Canard Enchaîné are _patently_ antinuke). In the minds of french people, also, who are very ambivalent about the topic (as measured by... The nuclear industry itself [1]) In regular demonstrations against the Bure waste disposal project, and I…

> is happy to believe to have relatively cheap electricity

FTFY

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by adrianN » Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 12:41 PM UTC

someguydave wrote: post #436

adrianN wrote: post #296

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If we had continued building renewables in quantity ten years ago we would be in much better shape now too. Unfortunately we did neither.

I don’t believe it is possible to run Germany on only renewables 1) without massive subsidies 2) without huge investments in storage tech (research and production) 3) without building solar/wind in outside places like North Africa Nuclear fission solves all of those problems and is a known ( and safe) technology.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32605106

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by simiones » Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 2:27 PM UTC

krisoft wrote: post #350

simiones wrote: post #305

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It greatly depends on where you live, and season. In my apartment in Bucharest, especially during the summer, clothes dry indoors in ~4h, and a bed sheet takes maybe 6h. In the winter, the time is usually double. Still, drying clothes indoors has no ill effects, I have no idea where you got this. It's definitely better than exposing them to high temperatures like in most apartment tumble driers.

> during the summer, clothes dry indoors in ~4h, > drying clothes indoors has no ill effects Maybe the first is why you think the second is always true? Where I live if I just leave laundry on a drying rack it won't dry for days, and once it is dryish it already smells stale and mouldy. I'm glad that it works for you, but maybe the advice differs based on location, climate, maybe even architectural choices.

You're right, I do understand that if it takes days to dry, the dampness has a good chance of allowing mold to form, and that can be extremely harmful.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:07 PM UTC

proto_lambda wrote: post #421

mrguyorama wrote: post #406

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And also probably the single least efficient source of heat for a home. An apartment using resistive heat instead of a heat pump should not be allowed anymore.

Wait, what? How could electric resistive heating with its 100% efficiency possibly be less efficient than gas or oil, which are the main alternatives in use at this point? Heat pumps have >100% efficiency, which makes them stand way out at the top, but they're an exception rather than the rule.

If the electricity for resistive heating is coming from a combustion process, it would be more efficient to burn that substance directly in the home to produce heat directly. Otherwise a lot of heat energy is lost being converted to electricity and traveling through the power lines.

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by morelisp » Mon, Aug 29, 2022, 7:46 PM UTC

boredumb wrote: post #259

polycaster wrote: post #213

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> What on earth are people spending electricity on? I guess there are just a lot more appliances in use today and we're more lazy. When I, approaching my 40s, compare our household with my parents household when I was a child there a various notable changes in habits: - My mother hang the loundry to dry. We seldomly do this anymore, instead we're using a dryer. These things are insanely power-hungry. - Electronics fo…

Why are ACs awkward in Germany?

I don't know if it's what the OP meant but the standard "German window" is a shape that makes an AC a lot more difficult than in e.g. the US. You can't mount it in the window directly and the insulation required is relatively irregular.

https://deine-mobile-klimaanlage.de/abluftschlauch/

Anecdotally, doors within an apartment/house are also far less airtight than in the US.

(Germans take airflow in homes extremely seriously; es zieht / frische Luft! is perhaps the fundamental contradiction in the German culture.)

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by gdy » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 12:48 PM UTC

_kbh_ wrote: post #214

fuoqi wrote: post #190

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>Currently we think about the nuclear fleet in the Ukraine which is literally under fire from Russia. It's hilarious how the Western politicians and mass media seriously blame Russia for shelling a nuclear plant which it controls for a number of months. And a lot of people either blindly trust this narrative, or intentionally spread misinformation with the sole goal to demonize Russia as much as possible. It reminds…

> And a lot of people either blindly trust this narrative, or intentionally spread misinformation with the sole goal to demonize Russia as much as possible. No one needs to demonise a country that commits genocide and has its military rape children, the Russians are plenty good at demonising themselves. > As far as I know, the goal of shelling (which for the time being does not target the reactors or the spent fuel s…

"and has its military rape children"

Yeah, right. The woman spreading these accounts got finally fired.

"... also accuses her [Lyudmyla Denisova] of having focused too much on media work, and on describing sexually motivated crimes in gratuitous detail as well as the raping of children in occupied territories. However, some of these accounts, he said, had not been verified, which had harmed Ukraine's reputation and distracted media attention from other, proven crimes and problems." [0]

[0] https://www.dw.com/en/why-ukraines-human-rights-chief-lyudmy...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by _kbh_ » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 1:33 PM UTC

gdy wrote: post #448

_kbh_ wrote: post #214

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> And a lot of people either blindly trust this narrative, or intentionally spread misinformation with the sole goal to demonize Russia as much as possible. No one needs to demonise a country that commits genocide and has its military rape children, the Russians are plenty good at demonising themselves. > As far as I know, the goal of shelling (which for the time being does not target the reactors or the spent fuel s…

"and has its military rape children" Yeah, right. The woman spreading these accounts got finally fired. "... also accuses her [Lyudmyla Denisova] of having focused too much on media work, and on describing sexually motivated crimes in gratuitous detail as well as the raping of children in occupied territories. However, some of these accounts, he said, had not been verified, which had harmed Ukraine's reputation and d…

> Yeah, right. The woman spreading these accounts got finally fired.

You're speaking like the Russian army is some sort of pillar of society that would never do a thing.

We know that they regularly rape, torture and commit war crimes. In multiple cities in Ukraine. This isn't really disputable they even brag on camera about wanting to commit genocide and even castrate people on camera.

Here's an article on the crimes they have committed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_violence_in_the_2022_Ru...

Re: German digital signage ban prompts confusion

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Aug 30, 2022, 5:53 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #444

someguydave wrote: post #436

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I don’t believe it is possible to run Germany on only renewables 1) without massive subsidies 2) without huge investments in storage tech (research and production) 3) without building solar/wind in outside places like North Africa Nuclear fission solves all of those problems and is a known ( and safe) technology.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32605106

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