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The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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The transmission will simply be gone due to electric motors won't it?

And even with gas engines, I'm in Europe and I've never owned an automatic. I've driven a few and kinda hated them... with the exception of Toyota's CVT. I would drive that.

Too bad hybrids have 18/24 months delivery time around here. Not a good time to change your car.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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> AFAIK the vast majority of vehicles sold in Europe are manual. This was true up until a few years ago, but it's around 50/50 now for passenger cars. There is a definite regional split, with manuals still popular in southern Europe, but having rapidly declining market share in northern Europe. Part of that is that hybrid and electric cars have had more uptake in northern Europe and are almost always automatic (there…

So rich people get automatic and poor people get manual. That explains why US gets automatic as well.

Many high end cars are not even offered with manual transmission in Europe anymore.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Manual transmissions are dead. I grew up learning to drive a manual transmission car. Awesome. I loved the feeling of driving and shifting gears up the hilly, mountainous, twisty horrible roads in Jamaica. Exhilarating! But cars got better. I got older, and now automatic transmissions are so much more efficient than manual transmissions * for ordinary people *. We're not talking about people who love driving here. We…

> I got older, and now automatic transmissions are so much more efficient than manual transmissions * for ordinary people *. It’s not just ordinary people. The opposite, if anything. F1 and rally cars haven’t been manual for decades. I don’t think any modern super is manual. Though with the ev-ification the point is moot as save for a few rare exceptions they’re single-gear.

Rally transmissions at least are very much manual. Along with most other race transmissions. They use dog-ring gearboxes, which are just really beefy synchronizing rings that let you just slam it into gear without decoupling from the engine. The paddles are electric, but they tell some pneumatic system to push a lever forwards or backwards.

F1 might use some decoupling? But I would expect them to work like most other race transmissions, by not decoupling.

There are computers that control the rev-matching, but that's technically on the engine side of things. There are sensors on the gearbox that let the controller know when to add throttle, but it's still very much not the responsibility of the transmission. There are also downshift protection to make sure you don't over-rev the engine, but this is also on the engine side of things, but it does block the signal from the paddle shifters.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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You asked why, and the answer is cost vs benefit. Car styling alone doesn’t justify the risk to pedestrians, large truck utility can. Yes, this tradeoff kills people, but so do all sorts of things like not physically preventing cars from driving 80+MPH.

This is a non answer. Australia has a vehicle style commonly referred to as a "ute"[1]. I think it stand for "utility". Which is basically a car with a truck bed in the back. This provides many of the advantages of a pickup without the increased danger to pedestrians. Why are car companies not marketing/selling these to the average consumer instead of the monster RAMs and F150s? I suspect the reason has everything to…

Not so different from an El Camino[1].

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_El_Camino

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#447

The transmission will simply be gone due to electric motors won't it? And even with gas engines, I'm in Europe and I've never owned an automatic. I've driven a few and kinda hated them... with the exception of Toyota's CVT. I would drive that. Too bad hybrids have 18/24 months delivery time around here. Not a good time to change your car.

Electric vehicles like Teslas still have transmissions. They just have only one gearing.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#448
I hope not, I genuinely enjoy driving, I love the feel of shifting gears in my Type R. Plus, in a lot of cars, Type R's are a good example, they have a really high red line, you can squeeze a lot of revs out of the engine. But the gear indicator tells me to shift up at around 3000rpm. Which is more fuel efficient, for sure, but where's the fun in that? I want the option to drive like a lunatic from time to time and get the most out of the engine. I've never driven an automatic, so maybe that's still possible somehow. But I love the interaction with the engine you get from a manual.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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> As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement Pickup trucks are the opposite of fashion. There are to cars what Crocs are to shoes.

Disagree. Because the utility is seldom fully utilized in an urban environment, they are nearly pure fashion. They serve as a signaling mechanism the same way that a pair of Gucci loafers do, just for a different culture.

They serve as a signalling mechanism all right; they signal that their owner has no taste, and doesn't care.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I didn't make any of that up.... have you ever removed an onstar unit from a vehicle? Did you ever try to install linux on an xbox360? Radios these days are software defined. They can sit on the same chip that uses a trusted bootloader and also provides an engine control module. Marketing departments can and will bend and pervert engineering specifications to highlight the consumer benefits and minimize the profit mo…

You know that radios can be as software defined they want, they are still requiring antennas.

I do know that. But...

Assuming you can even get to the antenna without special tools... you're just going to cut the antenna so short that the radio can't get a signal? On a hunch?

What if the SOC in your vehicle has to download a rolling encryption key every week in order to activate?

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