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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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> Oh, we don't do it for the software. We can hire 100 people out of Ohio State or Michigan and pay them midwest wages and get the same quality. No they can't... or they would. Deeds. Not words.

I’ve encountered a bunch of people with that sort of background working that kind of job, it’s a real thing.

I don’t know why this is hard to believe. Not everyone wants to “grind leetcode” 24/7.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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A flat in a nice part of Barcelona can be had for €300k.

Most spaniards can't pay that. Even a large portion of devs.

I picked a higher-end example to counter the original assertion that American city prices are also similar in Western Europe (they're not).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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FWIW Ford was hiring around this area (southern Ontario) for software engineers to work on their in-car systems like this. Not sure if this specific one. From what I've heard they were woefully underpaying. A friend of mine talked to them -- very qualified; like me he worked on similar touchscreen, interactive display type systems at Google/Nest, and had a general background on similar systems, and on QNX, etc. They…

I see this sentiment everywhere outside the tech first ecosystem. In the generalization of 'workers'/'engineers' v/s 'supervisors'/'managers', programmers are often seen as just workers. For whatever reason, an MBA or even a BBA is seen as an officer/supervisor.

Even product teams at tech first companies tend to represent this dogma. There are exceptions but the programmers are workers dogma is prevalent in this world. This is the main reason for suppressed pay for programmers and software engineers in all other industries except tech. Because of this, these other industries will never be able to catch up on the areas of hardware/software interfaces, let alone pure software craftsmanship. On the contrary, the software craftsmen are now learning the tropes of the non-software world and turning craftsmen in those areas as well.

So yeah, Ford might make a fast car, they will almost never be able to build a software driven car, which is the car of the future.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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FWIW Ford was hiring around this area (southern Ontario) for software engineers to work on their in-car systems like this. Not sure if this specific one. From what I've heard they were woefully underpaying. A friend of mine talked to them -- very qualified; like me he worked on similar touchscreen, interactive display type systems at Google/Nest, and had a general background on similar systems, and on QNX, etc. They…

Meanwhile people in Myanmar are desperate enough to pump poisonous chemicals into mountainsides to make magnets for motors. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32489998

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Most spaniards can't pay that. Even a large portion of devs.

I picked a higher-end example to counter the original assertion that American city prices are also similar in Western Europe (they're not).

Mmm, but housing is usually more expensive around here, except for SV and some other hot spots in the US.

US listings have plenty of houses for about 150k, which is unheard of in my low income area. And any blue collar american is making way more than me or my peers.

Services in most EU good, groceries are cheaper and better average quality for what everyone who's done shopping in both places, and some other stuff too. But in general I'd say that unless you go to Switzerland most euroa have lower disposable income and harder access to housing.

Even flats for 150k are old and in bad shape. You'd have to get very far from the city to get something nice for 150k and good luck with Internet and having services around.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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As a cyclist, I'm super excited about one day being run over by one of these things. The giant vehicle trend is getting a lot of people killed. And why does any vehicle need to accelerate that quickly? It's irresponsible on public roads. I would really love to see acceleration and speed limiters on vehicles.

You bike on many construction sites?

F-150s are famously only ever seen on construction sites, never in the Starbucks drivethrough on the way back from the school run.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I picked a higher-end example to counter the original assertion that American city prices are also similar in Western Europe (they're not).

Mmm, but housing is usually more expensive around here, except for SV and some other hot spots in the US. US listings have plenty of houses for about 150k, which is unheard of in my low income area. And any blue collar american is making way more than me or my peers. Services in most EU good, groceries are cheaper and better average quality for what everyone who's done shopping in both places, and some other stuff to…

Good luck buying a house in Toronto for under €600k.

Barcelona is absolutely a steal in comparison (and the food, transport, and weather are better, and the public healthcare is just as good).

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Mmm, but housing is usually more expensive around here, except for SV and some other hot spots in the US. US listings have plenty of houses for about 150k, which is unheard of in my low income area. And any blue collar american is making way more than me or my peers. Services in most EU good, groceries are cheaper and better average quality for what everyone who's done shopping in both places, and some other stuff to…

Good luck buying a house in Toronto for under €600k. Barcelona is absolutely a steal in comparison (and the food, transport, and weather are better, and the public healthcare is just as good).

Barcelona is a steal for you. The modal income for spaniards is under 20k.

So even if you manage to save money sharing a flat or living with your parents, good luck.

And plenty of houses for 600k around here by the way.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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My brother-in-law is pretty high up at a traditional manufacturing OEM. To be clear, they don't manufacture anything that has electronics or software in it (but there is a pretty decent chance your car has something they made). They have a Bay Area software office that does general tech stuff - manufacturing software, business software, etc. Internal things plus some B2C stuff for people buying/installing replacement…

> Oh, we don't do it for the software. We can hire 100 people out of Ohio State or Michigan and pay them midwest wages and get the same quality. No they can't... or they would. Deeds. Not words.

They can, and they do.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning: Fast Truck, Slow Computer

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Generally speaking the horrifying quality of Ford's electronics have been enough to keep me away from even considering purchasing one. Absolutely nothing works right and certainly nothing works well. It may or may not be able to connect bluetooth, it may or may not acknowledge a USB device, it may or may not start blaring whatever FM station was last tuned in for no reason on startup, or start playing the first album…

FWIW, I have a 2020 Escape hybrid, and I've been overall quite satisfied with the infotainment system. I'm particularly fond of its UX that favors physical buttons.

(Perhaps my biggest gripe is that the USB plug has a bit of wiggle which can cause occasional disconnects when I move the cable (but no issue on the USB-C plug)

The funny thing is that I've been thinking of upgrading to a bigger vehicle, and for a similar infotainment system on the other cars. But no: the Edge (and heaven forbid the monster Expedition) went for a all-touchscreen infotainment system, which is the stupidest UX design.

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