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Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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I wasn't necessarily suggesting to "do nothing and make no effort" - That's a strawman and false dichotomy. Sure, we can generally try to do more of what works and less of what doesn't. But usually the type of people who want to "architect society" end up being the worst type of "rules for thee but not for me" tyrants.

I think the Founding Fathers of the U.S. 'architected society' reasonably well in the 1770-1800 period?

Tip-of-the-hat to our founders, for sure! But I'd say they were architecting a government, not a society. That's a very important distinction, and without it you can end up with some really destructive Statist/Authoritarian stuff.

Regarding those first 25 years or so: Jefferson's attempt to ban slavery in 1784 failed by 1 vote. Then there was the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 and then the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798. So, nothing's perfect I guess...

Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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I don't understand what the big deal about perjury is. You have politicians lying under oath all the time and having 0 punishments despite the huge ramifications of those lies. Why should the "small time" liars be punished.

So, it is ok for people to lie in court because politicians do it?

No, but if you only prosecute poor people for it and not politicians, you create an unjust, class-based system where the law is different for different people. Politicians need to be held accountable perhaps more so than average people.

Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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I don’t think the issue is with “good-ol’-boyism” The root issue is that human beings are racist or otherwise prejudiced and that’s causing way more problems in many more areas And prejudice is natural human behavior. Anyone can become prejudiced if they grow up in the right environment But if all your friends are from all walks of life, you will naturally not be prejudiced. So all we need to do is make sure that we…

>But if all your friends are from all walks of life, you will naturally not be prejudiced. I'd be careful jumping to the conclusion you did based on this premise because there are a lot of subtleties here. More generally this is known as the contact hypothesis (and related to the diversity exposure hypothesis) and there isn't that much evidence to justify the idea that exposure to multiple walks of life reduces preju…

Those studies are regarding people experiencing that effect later in life, no?

I’m not really expecting to fix older people. I’m an old dog now relatively and I don’t learn new tricks as well

I’m talking about people growing up together

Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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post #377

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I don’t think the issue is with “good-ol’-boyism” The root issue is that human beings are racist or otherwise prejudiced and that’s causing way more problems in many more areas And prejudice is natural human behavior. Anyone can become prejudiced if they grow up in the right environment But if all your friends are from all walks of life, you will naturally not be prejudiced. So all we need to do is make sure that we…

>But if all your friends are from all walks of life, you will naturally not be prejudiced. I'd be careful jumping to the conclusion you did based on this premise because there are a lot of subtleties here. More generally this is known as the contact hypothesis (and related to the diversity exposure hypothesis) and there isn't that much evidence to justify the idea that exposure to multiple walks of life reduces preju…

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Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

#445

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I think the Founding Fathers of the U.S. 'architected society' reasonably well in the 1770-1800 period?

Tip-of-the-hat to our founders, for sure! But I'd say they were architecting a government, not a society. That's a very important distinction, and without it you can end up with some really destructive Statist/Authoritarian stuff. Regarding those first 25 years or so: Jefferson's attempt to ban slavery in 1784 failed by 1 vote. Then there was the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791 and then the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798.…

I highly doubt they ignored considerations of how their envisioned government would affect future society and vice versa.

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post #416

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I think the golden rule is usually sufficient. almost nobody wants to be lynched. likewise stolen from or harmed. the world is a better place with people abiding by that

> almost nobody wants to be lynched To illustrate why even reasoning from general principles has issues, consider: are you also against punishing people who commit crimes, on the grounds that almost nobody wants to be punished?

Sure it is not infallible but that is why I hedged the statement a little bit by saying "usually sufficient".

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Now, we need to pay attention to Presidents, DoJ Attorneys, and District Attorneys who pick and choose which laws to enforce, based upon their politics. It's interesting how they aren't getting charged for those actions.

They aren't because it's the whole idea behind the separation of the executive from the legislative power.

A central purpose for the executive branch is to enforce the laws.

Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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The people do not support lawmakers who pass laws they do not want. Making traffic enforcement automatic would only be supported by the most strict law-abiding drivers, which is probably a minority. Your elected officials will not create laws that would cause you to vote them out of office. So, we don't have those laws, because we don't want them. > I feel like I wouldn't be upset about rule enforcement if I knew eve…

As someone who used to drive heavy equipment that topped out around 60mph on flat ground I agree with the other drivers. You are a terrible person. If you used your rear view mirrors you would see that there's a constant cluster fuck of people cutting each other off trying to get out from behind you. This creates a bunch of unnecessary danger. And for what? So you can get some cheap virtue points from internet author…

I heartily disagree with this take and your swearing doesn't help your point at all. Drive the speed limit, it's the law.

Re: Man arrested for promoting jury nullification wins federal case

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post #95

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Anonymized justice. The facts. The arguments and a decision without any of the parties knowing race or anything else.

"this anonymous person stands on trial for their role in spreading hoaxes in their show about Sandy hook shootings, they have made millions selling supplements online and host their own talk show catered to right wing conspiracies. " I have literally no idea how you'd accomplish anonymity in many, many cases.

Most cases aren’t that high profile.
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