Trade is really a matter for the government, and the US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy. This just reflects the official policy, and having the companies pick this fight instead of the country is hypocritical.
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Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.
I was annoyed by this - I wanted the stamp as a souvenir. The first time I went to Israel I got the "stamp on a sticker" thing, but the second time I just asked and they explained the reasoning, I affirmed my intent, and they stamped it. That passport is since expired (it only had 3 years on it, at time of stamping), and my new passport book will get me wherever I happen to go. The souvenir sits safely in my safe.
Aren't you required to turn in your expired passport to get a new one, or report it as lost.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m not sure if they still do but you used to be able to hold two passports simultaneously. One that was ‘clean’ for countries that didn’t recognise Israel and another for Israel.
Israel stopped stamping passports years ago, as I understand it. They give you a separate piece of paper/plastic instead. There may well be other combinations of countries that justify a person having multiple passports.
Last time I checked (4-5 years ago) this was true for international airports but not all land crossings.
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was annoyed by this - I wanted the stamp as a souvenir. The first time I went to Israel I got the "stamp on a sticker" thing, but the second time I just asked and they explained the reasoning, I affirmed my intent, and they stamped it. That passport is since expired (it only had 3 years on it, at time of stamping), and my new passport book will get me wherever I happen to go. The souvenir sits safely in my safe.
Aren't you required to turn in your expired passport to get a new one, or report it as lost .
When renewing, the US returns the original passport with holes punched through it.
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#445Trade is really a matter for the government, and the US (sadly) adheres to the One China Policy. This just reflects the official policy, and having the companies pick this fight instead of the country is hypocritical.
I don't see how it is sad. The One China Policy is simultaneously amicable with the PRC and ROC constitutions. They both claim One China and the United States acknowledges that there is One China, but the United States makes no claims no preference for either government in resolving the Taiwanese straight conflict as it is a civil war.
US, sadly, have always supported the right wingers against "the commies", no matter the consequences.
When they started to support Taiwan in 1945, Chiang Kai-shek was a nationalist who imposed the martial law on Taiwan for 40 years (until the end of the 1980s!), waiting to strike back and regain "full control of China" (that's how One China principle was born, RPC has nothing to do with it! it was even in the ROC Constitution until 1992!)
Nixon changed everything when he visited mainland China and talked to Mao in 1972, that lead to the US-China trade agreement of 1979.
Until 1972 US had an agreement with Chiang Kai-shek, Taiwan "temporary" government was the only recognized China, they were bound to protect it in case of attack, they supported his claims of reunification under his ruling and the UN seat for China was that of Taiwan, even though 99% of the people of China lived on mainland.
USA has been very ambiguous since then, on one side they acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China and does not challenge that position, on the other they are formally Taiwan allied, but there's no more an US embassy in Taipei and no Taiwanese embassy in Washington.
They even moved their "One China" capital from Taipei to Beijing.
Reminder: indigenous people of Taiwan are only 2% of the original population, the rest is 97% Han Chinese, so one China is quite an accurate description.
They only differ about the alliances they made, but the mythological example of freedom for Asian countries that Taiwan should be, is just a myth
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/12/na... (2016, long before the actual crisis)
Also, 2021 referendum on pork ban from USA shows that to keep having the support of USA, the ruling political party in Taiwan has to to satisfy their demands, even when it (potentially) poses a risk for the entire Taiwanese population.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-12-16/pork-refe...
USA are not there as mere observers, but as strongly interested party, with deep economical interests.
And to exploit cheap labor, that made the fortune of Apple with their iPhone.
The truth is that until not long ago, Taiwan had access to better weapons thanks to the USA that compensated for the smaller army. Their technological superiority combined with the threat of US navy showing up at the border kept China at bay and forced them to think twice before trying to retake Taiwan.
Now that's not true anymore.
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#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think you can compare this to Russia and Ukraine at all. Russia (at least the western part) and Ukraine is Slavic. Ukraine and Russia were one country for 450 years and before the beginning of the 20th century that current nationalist movement did not exist. Ukraine literally means borderlands in old Slavic language. If anything, it was the Slavs in that region that expanded eastward and resettled conquered t…
My point is about the hypocrisy all around, not about making perfect comparisons between all these situations.
I didn't want to sound "tribal", just making it clear that Taiwan hasn't been as bad as mainland China. It's true that there's a lot of corruption inside the country, and I guess that even the USA has been hesitant thanks to that.
Originally, I didn't even talk about the USA's morally dubious nature, which I think it can certainly be pointed out. But try and formulate those points in a different way next time, don't imply something others haven't said.
Nevertheless, I agree. There's a lot of hypocrisy on this, even if I think that it's for different reasons (the USA just wants to make sure they have a way to choke out China's navy through another "friend").
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#447i recently got an electronic product that said 中國 instead of 中国 on the label (traditional vs simplified characters). i wonder if this was meant as a subtle indication that it was from traditional-character land.
That is nice :)
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#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. Some do it in Marseille, France. Citizens of many countries would be in big trouble if they have a stamp from Israeli customs on their passports. Customs apparently issue a separate document not to put a stamp on the passport as a result. This enabled many tourists who are "not supposed" to go there to nonetheless go there.
Before they started doing that, my dad was able to get a second passport just for Israel. Technically you were not allowed to have more than one passport (Ireland, 70s), but they made an exception.
They'll actually still do it for Israel and Iran I believe.
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You said that Taiwan's language and writing system made them Chinese. By that reasoning, the US would be English. But thanks for clarifying that sharing a language and writing system with another country, doesn't necessarily make you part of that country.
But this is not about "being part of a country"; it's first and foremost about sharing a common culture and history. Facile claims to "Taiwan independence" that ignore these nuances are tantamount to a denial of this shared past and common identity that is part of the continuing lived experience of many people in Taiwan. They are oppressive, dehumanizing and hurt the feelings of the Chinese people who live on the isl…
"Dehumanizing" to the Chinese people? You know, I was under the impression that total government surveillance, in-person monitoring of religious minority communities and regular internet censorship was the most dehumanizing part. Whatever the CCP calls 'oppressive' should be taken with a grain of salt.
China and Taiwan can share a history, but that doesn't entitle them to reconciling their differences. Much like the other commenters brought up, establishing Taiwanese independence is obviously the smartest path from here. China has had their feelings hurt for almost a century over Taiwan. Entire generations of humans have lived and died in the time Taiwan has enjoyed sovereignty. China knows it's time to let go, but they can't look weak or suffer the same fate as Russia. Continuing to threaten Taiwan is just part of their political-industrial complex, nothing more.
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#450It looks to me that this is only shipments from Taiwan to China > Apple has asked suppliers to ensure that shipments from Taiwan to China strictly comply with Chinese customs regulations after a recent visit by senior U.S. lawmaker Nancy Pelosi to Taipei stoked fears of rising trade barriers. Am I missing something? I do not see a requirement that all package from Taiwan say they are from China.
You're missing the biggest practical source of fake news: people are absolutely determined to comment on articles after reading only the headline, and headlines optimize for attention-grabbing rather than informativeness. You're completely right about what actually happened here, but the majority of people who see this while it's on the front page are going to walk away confident that Apple did some much more problem…
I think most of us are here to enjoy the irony of a "progressive" company laying down idly while China treats them like a lapdog.