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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ssnistfajen »

rramadass wrote: post #439
ssnistfajen wrote: post #434

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State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable which means it's not going to work in their favour. Abe also retired at the end of 2020 and the amount of influence he can still exert is to prop up his own intra-party faction, not direct international policy. Sino-Japanese trade was also consistently growing in latter half of his term. Real life isn't a fiction or video game. This type of wha…

>State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable This is clueless and childish naivete; do you believe everything you see and hear? In Geopolitics one should never ever accept the superficial and face-value explanation but should always try to look behind the curtain. There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination. Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and b…

>There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination

By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well?

>Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and bankrolling the Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue between USA, Japan, India and Australia) which is a direct and serious threat to China.

You think one person did it single-handedly? Let me repeat your own question: do you believe everything you see and hear? Are you aware there is a major player in Asia-Pacific that isn't geographically located there?

>And no he didn't disappear after retirement as you seem to think; men of his stature and influence always have the ear of policy makers until the end.

Where did I say he disappeared? Read my comments again. He's not the first senior party member in the LDP. Previous ones don't directly meddle with current government policy or it would be a constitutional crisis.

The only ones who need to explore all possibilities are the investigators indeed, not some random person boasting flimsy conspiracy theories on an Internet forum that usually doesn't even have anything to do with this sort of topic anyways. There's a special sort of irony in the mentions of "clueless and childish naïveté", and you seem to lack the awareness for that.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by krisoft »

trasz wrote: post #139
krisoft wrote: post #91

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Ok. There are no secrets “you cannot publish” in the USA. Prove it otherwise. Either by citing law, or even better by citing precedent.

Ever heard of Assange? (Also https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_secret among others; there is a ton of those.)

Your link does not seem to contradict what i’m saying “ The constitutionality of declaring entire categories of information preemptively classified has not been definitively tested in the courts.”

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by savanaly »

stevenjgarner wrote: post #260
savanaly wrote: post #200

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It's important to keep in mind that this might be less sinister than it first appears (or more...there's that interpretation too). The "Great families" idea reaches beyond politics into science and art as well: https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/secrets-of-the-great-f... .

Thought provoking. I would love to see that article extended to include artists - e.g. musicians like Johann Sebastian Bach, whose father Johann Ambrosius Bach was a violinist employed in Erfurt (who was twin brother to Johann Christoph Bach another great Baroque musician). These brothers were the sons of Christoph Bach, court musician in Germany. On the descendent side, Johann's fifth child and second surviving son…

Agreed, the Bach clan has to be one of the top families to have left off! Maybe the other Bachs are only well known to classical music lovers though.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by rramadass »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #441
rramadass wrote: post #439

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>State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable This is clueless and childish naivete; do you believe everything you see and hear? In Geopolitics one should never ever accept the superficial and face-value explanation but should always try to look behind the curtain. There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination. Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and b…

>There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well? >Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and bankrolling the Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue between USA, Japan, India and Australia) whic…

You are just reinforcing my "clueless and naivete" comment about your posts;

>By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well?

No, the state-owned media were more nuanced in their attack. See the commentary from the state-owned "Global Times" - https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202207/1270082.shtml. Also keep in mind that Internet media is officially "The Fifth Estate" and is used by Govts. the world over to influence public policy. It would be foolish to dismiss them all.

>You think one person did it single-handedly?

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Abe was instrumental in getting India into the Quad which is no mean achievement given that India wanted no part of it in the beginning. He also shared military intelligence with India which has never been done before and was willing to bankroll the entire thing. See - https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/shinzo-abe-controver...

>He's not the first senior party member in the LDP. Previous ones don't directly meddle with current government policy or it would be a constitutional crisis.

Abe was very very different from previous Japanese politicians in that he was more assertive w.r.t. military matters, was willing to put money where his mouth was and in a word was a "doer".

I urge a study of Geopolitics for personal edification.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by trashtester »

yucky wrote: post #193
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #155

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> Knowledge and transparency is oxygen to a democracy Democracy can wait a week or two when a man is murdered that way Freedom means also that you have to earn it, if people can't wait to speculate online about things that are still being investigated, they probably don't deserve it. --- What if they waited a bit more before putting Lee Harvey Oswald on the front page of every newspaper? Maybe he would still be alive…

>Freedom means also that you have to earn it Freedom isn't earned, authority is. Freedom is the default nature of man. Those in power who seek to limit freedom, must earn that right. And it can be quickly withdrawn.

> Freedom is the default nature of man

In actual Nature, there is absolutely no default state of freedom. The default is to eat or get eaten. "Freedom" is a social construct.

Just _maybe_ there is some biological underpinning in the form of tit-for-tat based sets of defensive-oriented instincts. (If you don't hurt me, I'll not hurt you.)

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by bzbarsky »

jrgoff wrote: post #420
bzbarsky wrote: post #411

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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html is one such source. Note that the shift has been quite recent (more or less since 2017) and not uniform; the ACLU does still take up free speech cases, while avoiding others, depending on various things. Related, but not mentioned in the above articles, are tweets from prominent ACLU lawyers calling for banning certain books (see https://reclaimthenet.org/st…

Thank you - unfortunately I don't have access to the nytimes article (and am not willing to subscribe to get it). However, your comment did help me find other articles that seem relevant to this discussion. In case it is of value to others, one such article is https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/10/26/why-the-aclu-is-rig... - it definitely has a pro-ACLU slant, but I thought it did a reasonable job of explaining the d…

My apologies; I forgot that the nytimes is all paywalled now...

I should make a habit of loading things in a private browsing tab as a test.

You should be able to see the whole Times article at https://web.archive.org/web/20220616003939/https://www.nytim... if you are interested in a less-pro-ACLU take.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by ssnistfajen »

rramadass wrote: post #445
ssnistfajen wrote: post #441

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>There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well? >Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and bankrolling the Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue between USA, Japan, India and Australia) whic…

You are just reinforcing my "clueless and naivete" comment about your posts; >By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well? No, the state-owned media were more nuanced in their attack. See the commentary from the state-owned "Global Times" - https://www.globaltimes.cn/p…

It's rather painful to see the fantasy rabbithole you got yourself sucked into. Reality isn't spy fiction. Get a grip. Your utter lack of self-awareness and taking pride in ignorance is plain laughable. Have fun with your cooked up conspiracy theory. The Internet has way too many of them already so good luck at getting recognition as an unseen genius.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by rendall »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #307
cheshire_cat wrote: post #107

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Tilo Jung[0] has bee annoying the government spokes persons with uncomfortable questions for years. I read that some other journalists are uncomfortable with his questions since they fear that the government might decide to just not show up anymore (everybody is aware that the Bundespressekonferenz is a quite unique arrangement) but they still let him show up and ask questions. He does really valuable work imo and pu…

> I read that some other journalists are uncomfortable with his questions since they fear that the government might decide to just not show up anymore The thing in his early days was that he asked and "demanded" a proper answer. But often times the politicians don't want to answer to the question stated. Now you can waste everybody's time and ask again and again, without getting an answer (which is useful if you stre…

I'd love to see more follow up questions of the sort "Excellent answer, if I had asked about X (e.g. who to blame for high taxes), but instead, my question was Y (what are your plans regarding tax policy?)".

It seems that Scottish interviewer Andrew Neil has a reputation for this kind of implacable questioning. Any others?

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by rramadass »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #448
rramadass wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are just reinforcing my "clueless and naivete" comment about your posts; >By edgy Internet users. The state had already sent condolences through official diplomatic channels. Do you believe trending Twitter hashtags as official statements from entire countries as well? No, the state-owned media were more nuanced in their attack. See the commentary from the state-owned "Global Times" - https://www.globaltimes.cn/p…

It's rather painful to see the fantasy rabbithole you got yourself sucked into. Reality isn't spy fiction. Get a grip. Your utter lack of self-awareness and taking pride in ignorance is plain laughable. Have fun with your cooked up conspiracy theory. The Internet has way too many of them already so good luck at getting recognition as an unseen genius.

Reality is often stranger than Fiction.

I put forth some plausible scenarios with sources whereas you have no data nor information to backup your simplistic viewpoint (except of course the assassin's say so). There is no nuance in any of your posts which is quite sad actually. As the saying goes; "It is the mark of an Educated Mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it". Perhaps you lack the needed Education. Here is a link to start with : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relatio...

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