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Post by seabriez »

guelo wrote: post #102
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

I'm not convinced that Apple's advantage is due to ARM vs x86. I think it has more to do with Apple's exclusive rights to TSMC's most advanced proccess. After all Apple is also beating Qualcomm's ARM Android CPUs.

Yeah, thats a good point. There's def something shady and untold about this whole thing; and that could explain it. Apple has deep pockets and considering they have done shady deals (like the Google default search engine) this could be another one of those.

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Post by opan »

ccouzens wrote: post #171
conductr wrote: post #147

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Does the 13" MBP support multiple displays? Sorry- I'm horrible at reading Apple Specs and inferring the capabilities

just the one external screen (two screens total including internal). https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/ People have gotten round it by connecting additional screens using display link adapters.

Can you use two external screens if you disable the internal screen? That's what I do now with a ThinkPad.

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Post by stimpson_j_cat »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #315
DonHopkins wrote: post #137

I got an M1 Macbook Pro, and yeah, the processor is fast and cool and all that, but the most absolutely wonderful thing about it by far is that there's no touchbar!

Am I the only one who just ignored the touchbar and didn't take it as a personal affront?

False dichotomy; I alternate between ignoring it AND being annoyed by it

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Post by speed_spread »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #308
speed_spread wrote: post #213

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That's a lot of anger you're packing around there for an operating system lol

Yeah, that was my 1984-like daily minute of hate, except that Goldstein is now an OS. Better than hating people I guess? Also, other than "smugfaced", I believe I stayed pretty factual in my description. Still, gotta fullfil my obligations to the Party and all that, lest they start suspecting me...

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Post by xattt »

anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

What would dripping the ball look like at this point in the game? Mediocre annual upgrades?

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

coder543 wrote: post #214
ryanmcbride wrote: post #185

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Wait really? I was using 2 external displays alongside the built in desplay on my m1 just a few days ago. Or is it a limitation only with m1 mb airs?

> on my m1 just a few days ago M1 != M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. If you have an M1 Pro or M1 Max or M1 Ultra, that is not "[your] m1". Each chip has significantly different capabilities in a number of aspects. As far as display support goes, M1 = 1 external display[0] M1 Pro = 2 external displays M1 Max = 4 external displays (3 USB-C + 1 HDMI)[1] [0]: the exception is the M1 Mac Mini, which doesn't have an internal display, so…

Is there a technical reason that the M1 only supports a single external monitor (optimized intended experience), or is just market segmentation?

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Post by sliken »

arcticfox wrote: post #373
dmix wrote: post #202

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Apple doesn't really have to worry about competition too much for a long time, even if Intel and AMD get comparable watt/power levels for laptops, Apple isn't going to be using them for their products anytime soon. And people using Macbooks aren't likely to switch to Windows/Linux machines, even if there is a 20% better CPU. But really we've only had 2.5 released cycles so far. Not much to go by.

I might be a very small minority but I'd personally switch back to Linux in an instant if there was something comparable to the M series hardware

Asahi linux has most things working, except the accelerated GPU. Just in the last week or so a triangle was rendered, so progress is has been made.

Sadly while apple has 128 bit wide memory on the low end (66-100GB/sec on the mac mini and mba), 256 bit wide (200GB/sec), 512 bits wide (400GB/sec), and 1024 bits wide (800GB/sec). Nothing wider than 128 bits looks to be coming to standard laptops or desktops in the non-apple world. I don't really count HEDT chips like the threadripper pro, since they are very expensive and very limited, and burn many 100s of watts.

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Post by convery »

I see a lot of hype around the AI cores. What do regular users use it for? Only thing I can think of is accelerating writing recognition / face-auth stuff.

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Post by pier25 »

turtlebits wrote: post #345
pier25 wrote: post #300

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I agree. The Air used to be the laptop for everyone. Now it has entered into MBP territory in terms of pricing and performance. What will happen with the M3? Will the base Air start at $1500? Will the M2 Air drop its price to $999 when the M3 is released? I'm not saying the M2 Air is not worth its price compared to x86 laptops, but it's ridiculous that the cheapest Apple laptop is way overkill for its intended audien…

The original Macbook Air when introduced had an MSRP of $1800. They are still selling the M1 Air at $1000.

Yeah that was at launch, but a couple of years later it went down to less than $1000. I bought one new around 2017 for about $800.

For many years it was one of the most popular laptops ever. Popular as in admired and famous, but also for the people.

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