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USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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The most frustrating part is that I want no logo. It’s the worst of both worlds; no brand reputation, yet still covered in ads.

Just curious.... why?

Why should I pay a company to advertise for them?

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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And it still costs as much as a computer.

As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. I don't think that's a good thing though. No adapter/hub should be this complex IMO. I don't know how the ubiquity of USB got us to this point, it seems worse than before.

> As has often been said, that dock really is a computer.

No it isn't, lol. Thudernbolt/usb-c docks are a solution to a made-up problem.

It is absolutely possible to have all the necessary ports on a modern slip laptop.

Just look at the Dell Latitude 7390:

- https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-latitude-7390

- https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-7390-i5-8350U-SS...

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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Sounds to me that you for some reason got the older USB-C 3.1 / Gen 1 docks those are limited to 5gbps which means no 4K@60 the Gen 2 USB-C / TB3 docks work quite flawlessly as long as you ofc plug them into a Gen 2 or TB port…

They should be able to get 4k@60 with the older docks. I have such an older monitor which works fine. It's just that the usb 3 ports work at 480 Mbps.

With USB->DP adapter yes. With a hub offering USB3 ports, mostly no. Once both lanes are in DP-alternate mode (needed for 4k@60), there's no bandwidth for USB3, only the separate wire for USB2. So here it depends how it is internally connected, and whether it can switch USB3 ports to USB2 or not. Many hubs can't do this.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #106

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While not the ideal solution to your needs, I've found that Brasso does a great job of removing logos from electronics with a little elbow grease. I've used it on my LG television, my Levoit air cleaning machines, and other devices.

Or acetone a.k.a. the pure form of nail polish remover.

Yeah no, that'll dissolve those ABS cases in no time.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #287

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And it still costs as much as a computer.

As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. I don't think that's a good thing though. No adapter/hub should be this complex IMO. I don't know how the ubiquity of USB got us to this point, it seems worse than before.

The original LaserWriter had

> Motorola 68000 CPU running at 12 MHz, 512 KB of workspace RAM, and a 1 MB frame buffer.

vs the Mac 128K with

> Motorola 68000 microprocessor running at 7.8336 MHz, connected to 128 KB RAM shared by the processor and the display controller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaserWriter

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_128K

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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I got tired of dealing with the fact that every one of these "do everything in one box" docks are a mixed bag of variously questionable components and just bought a "pure" tb4 hub[1], which is a thing that exists now but didn't really before. It's a lot nicer to be able to just pick the usbc or tb components I need plugged into it rather than have to take shitty NIC 1 because DP transcoder 2 is good. I also bought us…

This sounds great! Many times the docks have ports I don’t care about, this way I can attach whatever adapters matter to me only. A usbA hub, 2 display port adapters and an Ethernet adapter. Sweet!

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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See, that's crazy, because Sonnet "makes" an identical board. Same case too. Only difference is the logo. https://www.sonnetstore.com/products/echo-11-thunderbolt-4-d... And $40 cheaper than the Kensington branded one. So even though it's thunderbolt and it works for you - it really is the same thing TFA is talking about.

And it still costs as much as a computer.

Yeah, after buying a macbook pro I decided to buy an earlier generation of macbook air with some usable ports on it, there is no way I'm going to go around with an additional box. People complain MS is user-hostile but Apple does the same, just in their own way.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #442
post #287

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As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. I don't think that's a good thing though. No adapter/hub should be this complex IMO. I don't know how the ubiquity of USB got us to this point, it seems worse than before.

> As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. No it isn't, lol. Thudernbolt/usb-c docks are a solution to a made-up problem. It is absolutely possible to have all the necessary ports on a modern slip laptop. Just look at the Dell Latitude 7390: - https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-latitude-7390 - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-7390-i5-8350U-SS...

Which is great on the road. When I'm in the office using my laptop as a desktop I want one plug for everything and that is what usb-c gives me, so it is easy to grab just the laptop and go. (On my current laptop it is two usb-c plugs on one connector as usb-c doesn't allow enough power or data for one port to work - I have to use their official hub which who knows how long they will make).

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #442
post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. I don't think that's a good thing though. No adapter/hub should be this complex IMO. I don't know how the ubiquity of USB got us to this point, it seems worse than before.

> As has often been said, that dock really is a computer. No it isn't, lol. Thudernbolt/usb-c docks are a solution to a made-up problem. It is absolutely possible to have all the necessary ports on a modern slip laptop. Just look at the Dell Latitude 7390: - https://www.pcmag.com/reviews/dell-latitude-7390 - https://www.notebookcheck.net/Dell-Latitude-7390-i5-8350U-SS...

Made-up problem? Maybe if you use your laptop as a desktop and never take it anywhere. I don’t want to plug in a dozen cables whenever I come home or go to work, or after each and every meeting.

Re: USB-C hubs and my slow descent into madness (2021)

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post #53

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This is mainly because power-tool quality across the board has greatly increased - once you're into a "band" they're much the same, though there are differences it's usually one of "focus" not of quality. If you're dealing with off-brand or no-brand tools, you can still end up with something entirely usable but crappy. The prices usually tell most of the story.

"Project Farm" on YouTube does really great tool reviews with zero BS. There are differences between major tool brands and it's not just a matter of same factory, different brand sticker like with a lot of electronics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpjBJ8aQ3NE is a good example. It's pretty hard to go wrong with any of the major players these days, more about what color you like or their tool ecosystem. I'm into Mi…

>It's nice not stripping Phillips head screws now that I've got really nice drivers with excellent sharp grippy tips in all the different sizes to properly fit.

Life hack: use a better screw. Pozidriv is 60 years old!

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