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Post by sorenjan »

pelasaco wrote: post #398
belter wrote: post #346

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I am surprised this is the top comment. Not that it's not well argued but what seems to imply of the reading by most of the current situation. The joke of sanctions implemented by the EU and the US, and they are a joke, since EU continues to import gas from Russia, and SWIFT use continues by the Russian Federation, is a symptom of the same attitude seen on many Ukraine residents just 48 hours ago. A kind of cognitive…

I'm not an expert, but sounds to me that Germany halting the nord stream pipeline, influenced Putin to go over the already under russian controlled area. I ask myself if removing Russia from SWIFT wouldn't make Putin just keep rolling over until the German border. In another hand, from the strategic point of view, Europe should have one more economical pressure option in case Russia doesn't stop in Kiew, and the SWIF…

Putin's speech about a military operation in Ukraine was recorded before Germany halted Nord Stream 2. What happens now has been planned for months.

Not sure what you mean by SWIFT being the last option before war, war is happening right now.

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Post by sofixa »

EvaK_de wrote: post #342
sofixa wrote: post #311

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Not at all the person you're responding to, and don't agree in the slightest with their viewpoint, however from what i recall Hillary Clinton was selling herself very tough on Russia in the last election she lost.

"being tough on Russia" is very far from "aggressively rallying for war with Russia".

Personally that's how i interpreted her posture. It may have been all for show, but who knows.

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by sofixa »

noselasd wrote: post #377
sofixa wrote: post #300

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> Without Ukraine's Crimean peninsula, Russia loses sea access to the Black Sea and thus the Mediterranean for their navy (and also for trade), That's untrue. Sevastopol is the main port and naval base in the Black Sea, but Russia has plenty of others, and some are even undergoing expansion - Novorosiisk ( the backup one). Sevastopol is in Crimea, but was shared under an agreement between the Russian and Ukrainian na…

They gained exactly what they wanted by taking crimea, the inability to deploy nato forces and equipment there and domestic contorl of their leased naval port in crimea. Basically nato stated that yep, ukraine (and georgia) should join them, later on when the ukraine coup happened and got a pro western government, russia was going: yep - possibility of nato on crimea and losing our haval base there is not going to ha…

But that didn't achieve anything. NATO can still deploy forces and equipment in Odessa or Mykolaiv, or in Romania or Bulgaria or Turkey, and can still easily block access to the Mediterranean.

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Post by joshgachnang »

idkwhoiam wrote: post #368
black_puppydog wrote: post #147

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Sorry but what? * It looks like there won't be a Ukrainian government to speak of in a few days. * Manipulative behaviour has been identified on twitter and Facebook almost every day for the last few years, and it hasn't really led to much anything. The Ukrainian government can't do anything about that, if the independent banana republics of FAANG don't decide to act, nothing is gonna change. * Likewise for patreon.…

> No NATO state will enter into this conflict, Putin has been pretty openly threatening with nuclear annihilation This basically means 2 things: 1. NATO is dead. 2. Putin is free to do whatever he wants wherever he chooses.

I don’t know how that means NATO is dead. Ukraine is (unfortunately for them at this moment) not a part of NATO, so the response is different. If Russia continues and invades Lithuania, etc, the rest of the countries are obligated to defend it.

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Post by amcoastal »

jl6 wrote: post #419
neonsunset wrote: post #367

1: Small website with simple JS to ddos a list of russian gov and propaganda websites. Works anywhere where those are not blocked (e.g. Ukraine). Link - https://stop-russian-desinformation.near.page/ 2. Console tool for unplanned load testing Link - https://github.com/codesenberg/bombardier/releases/tag/v1.2.... Example usage - ./bombardier-linux-amd64 --duration=240h --connections=1000 --latencies https://lenta.ru U…

Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? DDOSing Russian news websites just allows them to cry victim - “look, they don’t want you to hear the truth!”. Disrupting the Russian internet in general also harms any anti-war protesters trying to organize.

It is the job of the Russian people to stand up and refuse to participate in this conflict. Anything that makes their lives harder so they are more likely to do that, as opposed to just sitting around on their ass, is a good thing. The Russians need to band together and topple their dictator state, they are acting unethically and there needs to be a groundswell of support to oust someone like Putin. Simple democracy will not work there to change things like it could in the U.S. (voters were able to get rid of Bush for being a war monger).

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Post by amcoastal »

MarcellusDrum wrote: post #249
reitanqild wrote: post #235

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You are probably downvoted for - voluntarily or involuntarily (I cannot judge) - running the errands of the enemies of the free world by suggesting that it is hopeless while it is absolutely not. (Why is it not hopeless? Russian forces suffer large losses and their morale is breaking, after all, what sane person wants to shoot their peaceful neigbours and relatives? Russians are already taking to the streets to prote…

The phrase "the free world" rubs me the wrong way. I'm obviously against what Russia is doing, any sane man would be. But as a middle eastern, the US to us has been 10x worse than Russia: They killed a million Iraqis, they killed Syrian civilians by bombing hospitals and schools. They overthrew a functional government in Libya, and they supported Syrian/Iraqi separatists (Kurds). They forcefully tried to build a mili…

The difference is the voters of the U.S. punished the presidents who did those things with huge political defeats that have now made most oversea invasions and hawkishness very unpopular political positions at the moment. Russians have a much tougher road to hoe to do the same thing, but it needs to be done for the moral reasons you lay out here.

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Post by Ntrails »

amcoastal wrote: post #445
jl6 wrote: post #419

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? DDOSing Russian news websites just allows them to cry victim - “look, they don’t want you to hear the truth!”. Disrupting the Russian internet in general also harms any anti-war protesters trying to organize.

It is the job of the Russian people to stand up and refuse to participate in this conflict. Anything that makes their lives harder so they are more likely to do that, as opposed to just sitting around on their ass, is a good thing. The Russians need to band together and topple their dictator state, they are acting unethically and there needs to be a groundswell of support to oust someone like Putin. Simple democracy…

It's the job of the Canadian people to stand up to oppression and fight the governmental overreach... etc etc

Re: Ukraine calls on hacker underground to defend against Russia

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Post by Terry_Roll »

midasuni wrote: post #349
Terry_Roll wrote: post #323

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The BBC broke the news first. Today's media are quite rapid and who knows what's been discussed down the pub the night before. When looking at the 30-40min delays in filling in which was largely concentrated in cities, how many people sat queueing for fuel were considering an electric car? And then those filling up were limited to £20 or £30 of fuel so they experienced the same range anxiety as someone with an electr…

Daily Mail headline at 0930BST on 24th was Panic buying begins Prepare for the worst Winter of discontent Fuel rationing ARMY to step in BBc headline was “Petrol shortage, don’t rush to buy say ministers”

BBC has more clout for serious issues than the Daily Mail.

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Post by Aachen »

phantom_oracle wrote: post #439

It is disturbing how the moderators of HN are condoning the comments in this thread (the top comment by 'neonsunset' provides tools that enable DDoSing a foreign government website) that are encouraging cyber warfare against a nation-state that is considered an 'enemy' of their state (the USA). Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure,…

> Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure, they would be flagged as terrorists

Look up the difference between belligerent and victim, and the word compassion.

I don't see why you're dragging another political topic, capitalism, into the conversation when it's about thwarting what you call terrorists. It seems flamebaity but I'm replying in the hope you're seriously interested in the conversation.

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Post by zeepzeep »

phantom_oracle wrote: post #439

It is disturbing how the moderators of HN are condoning the comments in this thread (the top comment by 'neonsunset' provides tools that enable DDoSing a foreign government website) that are encouraging cyber warfare against a nation-state that is considered an 'enemy' of their state (the USA). Had a Russian/enemy state website had a similar thread that condoned cyber-attacks against the USA critical infrastructure,…

I think HN has 1 full time mod.
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