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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by ByteJockey »

pschastain wrote: post #355
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

This is not an attack on free speech, this is free market economics at work. Spotify is free to promote and profit from whomever they please, and other creative artists are free to take their work elsewhere. Market demand will determine the outcome. The First Amendment states "Congress shall make no law ..."; it says only what the *gov't* can and cannot do

Your argument means that this is not a violation of the first amendment.

It's not an argument about free speech. The first amendment and free speech are different things.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by CodeGlitch »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify.

I'm not so sure. Just put the non controversial episodes on YouTube, then link and advertise the "problematic" episodes that are only available on your own platform.

This is what the Lotus Eaters do:

https://www.lotuseaters.com

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by bambax »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that

But why would nobody do that? How hard is it? Maybe it's too much trouble for something you don't care about, but for a content you enjoy, doing one copy-paste isn't very difficult?

Personally I resent Spotify for the whole move to podcasts.

There is still so much to do with music (streaming quality, music videos, lyrics, chords...)

Instead they choose to publish recordings of guys talking -- not experts in any subject, but random guys who are pretty ignorant of everything, and who, because they don't know anything, tend to have a very political conversation. This isn't art. This is just another way of wasting time.

As a result, Spotify is now in the business of policing content. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by gubikmic »

philistine wrote: post #338
Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #2

A lot of pre-COVID episodes deleted meanwhile recent controversial COVID episodes remain.

I like the idea that it's the guests themselves asking for deletion because they no longer want to be associated with him.

100% not true for Aubrey Marcus

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by iaml »

graderjs wrote: post #106

I'm not sure this website is accurate as Rogan so far has not said anything on Twitter or Instagram about this. Yet if true, this is such BS. It's hard not to see Rogan, with his massive and mostly bipartisan audience, yet still polarizing and controversial discussions, as a litmus test for how well the West really embraces dissent. We're supposed to have invented dissent, right? And Joe Rogan, he's our little free s…

> mostly bipartisan audience

Is it though? Before spotify deal it was definitely true, but recently I tried some of his new episodes and he's much more conservative leaning nowadays. So much so I couldn't really watch it, stark contrast to earlier episodes with Duncan Trussel, Bill Burr and others. I heavily doubt he has much liberal audience nowadays.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by picsao »

concinds wrote: post #324
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

The death of the open web is actually the vanishing of the self educated power user culture.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Cederfjard »

tablespoon wrote: post #265
dtemp wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available.

> When I heard of JRE many years ago, I said to myself, "do I care to hear the endless opinions of the former host of Fear Factor? Nope." And that was that, never even decided to give it a try with so much other potential content available. And the time commitment. I have a friend who's a big fan and kept pushing me to listen, but I just plain don't have the time to listen to a meandering 3 hour podcast, even if I wa…

I have no data to back this up, but I think few people who listen to long podcasts sit down and pay attention solely to them for the entire duration. Personally I listen when I’m doing chores or commuting, and I constantly stop and pick it back up at a later time.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sva_ »

yannikyeo wrote: post #208
FeteCommuniste wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of them are really baffling. Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer, Ian Edwards? Tim Ferris?

Likely delete out of requests by the guests.

Many of the deleted guests still have other episodes that are up. So it doesn't seem to make sense.

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Post by chuckSu »

TrispusAttucks wrote: post #297
afavour wrote: post #188

I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by lemmsjid »

nomilk wrote: post #308
snotrockets wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

By your logic, would Ignaz Semmelweis, Giordano Bruno, or Nicolaus Copernicus be allowed on a mainstream platform today? And does that even matter to you? Their ideas were so shocking they weren't only banned , but were made pariahs of, thrown into asylums, and burned. The best we can do is hear different ideas with an open mind, and use our logic and discernment to come to our own judgements. Since the quality of ju…

I think if you review the biographies of those three individuals, you will find that the stories of their persecutions are a lot more complex than that they were attacked for their novel ideas (though that is certainly an aspect). In most cases it wasn't their scientific ideas that were shocking or banned, but their political affiliations or religious stances. I think all three would have a platform today, because they provided evidence based and extensively reasoned positions. I see Rogan in rather the opposite way: he is contributing noise to the larger discussion by intentionally amplifying particular voices, without regard for whether or not they are in good faith, because they resonate with him or his perception of his audience. If Rogan were finding and amplifying voices that had evidence based arguments that contributed to overall understanding, I would be much more positively inclined.

Though all that said, I'm against deplatforming him.

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