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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

bostik wrote: post #88
matheusmoreira wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It hurts me to even think about this. We're headed towards such a bleak future. The only solution I can think of is to kill copyright in order to save computing freedom. Otherwise our computers will eventually no longer be ours.

I don't think we need to kill copyright, but we sure as hell need to control how it's used. To start with, we need to spay and neuter the out of control copyright enforcers, and especially every form of copyfraud. My previous take on the subject: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22488496

I don't entirely disagree with you. I think copyright is insane but it could certainly be made tolerable enough. Most importantly, it needs to have reasonable duration. 5 years is more than enough time for these creators to make their money several times over. I don't think these copyright holders would ever accept anything that reduced their monopoly power though.

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Post by GFischer »

GVIrish wrote: post #379
jodrellblank wrote: post #368

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Is that wrong? How many outraged people here are going to stop using paid-for Google products because of this? (people who didn't stop using paid-for Google products for all the times this kind of thing happened before). It's approximately none, isn't it?

The problem is that it hurts the perception of Google, particularly for enterprise customers. If the perception is that Google is unresponsive and gives customers no recourse to address obviously incorrect behavior of its automated systems, it makes it harder for enterprise customers to trust Google with their workloads. A one off bug like this isn't the end of the world, but it fits into the larger pattern of how Go…

Yep, I've been in a position to choose cloud providers before, and I wouldn't touch Google with a ten foot pole (it's basically AWS or Azure in my mind).

I'm already unhappy with the level of control they already have on my life (Gmail and Android).

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by IYasha »

spicybright wrote: post #166
driverdan wrote: post #151

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> That's ridiculous. Storing social security numbers is necessary for lots of businesses. They should absolutely not be stored in a GSuite document. SSNs should be treated more securely than credit card numbers.

Should, yes, but in practice not really. I'm talking more about employee information. You need it for tax forms, background checks, citizenship queries, sometimes bank information, etc. So your options are: 1. Store them locally on a computer. Typically on some old windows 7 machine in the corner that hasn't been updated in some time. 2. Store documents physically. Which will either be scanned onto random computers b…

If using public storage is absolutely unavoidable, I train people to use password-protected archives like rar or 7z. This way the content won't be indexed and less likely to be used by attackers.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by 015a »

spicybright wrote: post #375
015a wrote: post #230

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This isn't some default thing on G-Suite; its the DLP setting which enterprises can elect to toggle on, if they pay for the most expensive G-Suite plan. It also, afaik, only applies to shared files. It does not work, in such a myriad of ways that I'd be blown away if it wasn't just some summer intern's project three years ago and it hasn't been touched since. But it does check boxes for audits. And enterprises don't…

That actually changes the entire context of this. Sorry, I don't think I read closely enough to the source article.

Oh to be clear, this has nothing to do with the original submission; that's a false-positive copyright issue which is global and probably applies to personal accounts as well as G-Suite. That cannot be turned off.

DLP (data loss prevention) is a different feature for enterprises, which is specifically related to the social security number thing. It "protects" (poorly) against leaking lots of different classes of data from GDrive, but it doesn't do copyright, and it is optionally enabled by enterprise IT for an organization.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by SR2Z »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #434
SR2Z wrote: post #405

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> Frankly, your bias shows and you might have a case of EverythingLooksLikeANailitis. The copyright industry may be "protecting" jobs in some ways, but it's also destroying jobs in others. It's halting progress in so many cases. No, I have a case of "I'veSeenWhatHappensWhenCopyrightIsIgnoreditis." A blind man could see that copyright needs serious reforms, but it's absurd to pretend like other systems produce the div…

> The actual solution is to reduce the cost of enforcing copyright - right now it takes a court case, which obviously is a nonstarter for anyone who isn't making bank off of their copyright. Making it easier will result in even worse systems than YouTube's insane extralegal "copystrike" process which enables such abuses as police playing copyrighted songs to prevent people from sharing videos of them. The opposite sh…

> Making it easier will result in even worse systems than YouTube's insane extralegal "copystrike" process which enables such abuses as police playing copyrighted songs to prevent people from sharing videos of them.

No, it'll make it easier for watchdogs to fight bullshit like this. A poorly rendered version of "Shake it Off" that just so happens to be played in the background of some police brutality is fair use - but guess where you have to go to claim fair use as a defense?

> If we keep going like this we'll rewind about 100 years to the status quo before the invention of computers. We'll have them but they'll be restricted to the point they're equivalent to old mass media. Their potential squandered in the name of keeping old industries alive. Everything the internet was meant to be, destroyed due to the surveillance and control necessary to enforce copyright.

People have been saying this for twenty years, and computers now have only become more capable. It was an exaggeration then and it's an exaggeration now.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by p1mrx »

askvictor wrote: post #301
p1mrx wrote: post #253

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Assuming is's a cryptographic hash function, that sort of collision just never happens.

Well, it has to happen at some point. Exceedingly unlikely, but never say never.

When the number of hash values (at least 2^128) exceeds the number of atoms in the observable universe (10^80), it's never going to happen.

... unless the hash function is broken, in which case it's not cryptographic anymore. Note that the birthday paradox doesn't apply when one of the inputs is trivial.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by salawat »

kortex wrote: post #391
tyingq wrote: post #243

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Just tried that, and I get a "request a review" link. Interesting. "Unable to share This item may violate our Terms of Service - Request a review" Clicking on it, though, gives no joy: "451. Sorry, Google is unable to process your request. This item was taken down for legal reasons and cannot be appealed. Please visit the Legal Removals Requests page for more information." https://imgur.com/a/5YHQtLi

Someone just needs to copyright the number 451 and then they won't be able to return that HTTP response! Checkmate, google!

Someone already did.

Fahrenheit 451.

The flashpoint of wood pulp paper.

You... didn't think that wasn't specifically chosen for that reason, right?

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Post by rattray »

jfoster wrote: post #436
kaetemi wrote: post #338

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So Google Drive is not an option for safely storing documents that you don't want to lose. And by extension, Google Docs is equally dangerous.

Yeah, based on this, any GSuite presentation containing a logo seems like it might meet Google's criteria for getting blocked.

Or, like, a quote. Yikes.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by jodrellblank »

slig wrote: post #438
jodrellblank wrote: post #368

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Is that wrong? How many outraged people here are going to stop using paid-for Google products because of this? (people who didn't stop using paid-for Google products for all the times this kind of thing happened before). It's approximately none, isn't it?

People will think twice before using GCP. I know I'm.

But why didn't you do that all the previous times?

- 13 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=350968 "On friday I woke up to find my google account had been disabled. No gmail, no adsense,adwords,webmaster tools,blog etc etc. No reason given. I've filled out the forms, got an automated response which is totally irrelevant"

- 10 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4013799 and it was happening often enough to be a meme then with people saying: "And this time I'd like the outcome of this thread not to be just "A Google insider wandered past and fixed this guys problem" but "Here's how we're going to make sure it doesn't happen again." and "This is a general problem with Google and their customer-no-service attitude. It's just deplorable. It really is. You have to wonder: What is it going to take for them to give a shit and actually do something about it?"

- 10 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3217549 "Ask HN: Why doesn't Google believe in customer support?"

- 9 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5022091 "Ask HN: How to reach _real_ people at Google?"

- 9 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5120060 "My Gmail account got hacked. Google won't help. I need your advice."

- 6 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10851448 "Help HN: Cannot recover my Google Adsense because of single 1$ mistake"

- 6 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10569902 "Ask HN: Is it possible to get help from a Google employee?(for G+)"

- 5 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13874778 "We accediently created a personal google account using G Suite's main account, and without any warning Google just removed all of our access to a very sensitive data for our organization."

- 3 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20203482 "SIM swap horror story: I've lost decades of data and Google won't help", comment: "Google really fails hard in the face of providing support when issues like this occur."

That's a quick search of "help google account" in the HN search down at the bottom of the page, just submissions not comments. Comments immediately comes up with "Xoogler here - actually we used to say "if you are not buying advertising from us, Google can't help you at all"." - joering2, two days ago.

Or this anecdote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30053549 steelframe is telling about Google "After they hung up on [a paying customer] 3 or 4 times, eventually a manager got on the phone and told him (between his screams), "Look, you're not getting any phone support because it doesn't exist. There's nowhere for us to transfer you. There's nobody who can call you back about this. Your only option is to search the forums for an answer to your problem. I am going to terminate this call now. Sir, I'm going to terminate this call. No, we can't help you. Nobody at Google can help you. I am terminating this call now. We asked you to stop calling this number. Do not call us again. ""

And don't forget https://killedbygoogle.com/ for products people liked which they shuttered because reasons, most commonly exemplified by Google (RSS) Reader 9 years ago which still comes up in comments present day.

Well, GOOG's share price has tripled in the last 5 years, so that's how much people are staying away from them as a result.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by oehpr »

PostOnce wrote: post #254
iameli wrote: post #75

All software has bugs; I'm not mad at all that this silly test case was flagged incorrectly. The truly infuriating part is "A review cannot be requested for this restriction." Translation: "We have no idea if you actually own this content or not, but it would be _way too expensive_ for us to find out for sure! So you're out of luck, but don't worry — it's all worth it so we can make sure children can't stream Marvel…

Disney robbed us, our children, their children, and possibly generations beyond that with their more-than-a-century copyright terms. I thought about posting this comment the other day and decided not to, but your mention of Disney+ stirred the idea in me again. We have so much modern media about Dracula, Sherlock, Cthulhu, etc, a thousand flowers bloom... new movies, new games, new art of all kinds. Disney & friends…

There was an was an incident with Games Workshop and fan animation. Games Workshop has set up their own animation studio and decided to go hard against the fan community that grew around the setting.

The whole incident made me mad, sure. But what it really made me feel was disenfranchised under the regime we live, as it is.

We... are not allowed to LIKE things, unless we do so under a capricious mega corps terms. And whatever release valves our society have are guarded behind financial, logistical, legal barriers, that are just inaccessibly to all but the largest fish with the most to lose. The fact that you like something is and can only be, as far as our culture is concerned, an asset to some corps bottom line. That's it. You're chattel and chattel only.

Sit there

Consume passively

Do not do anything.

Every time I see a thing that I like, this thought just stews in the back of my mind. Fandoms are cattle pens. Liking things is a mistake.

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