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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by halfmatthalfcat » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 2:59 PM UTC

api wrote: post #421

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

> The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. As with many things, the US response combined all the worst parts of the left's reaction to the pandemic with all the worst aspects of the right's. We had ham-fisted lockdowns (of dubious effectiveness) that destroyed small business and harmed mental health while simultaneously we had a right-wing crackpot antivaccination movement…

The lockdown was a response to a completely unknown pathogen, presumably airborne, that was causing sickness globally. A “ham fisted lockdown” was completely justified to protect everyone while we figured out what was going on.

I love everyone trying to play epidemiologist or public policy coordinator like they know what they’re talking about; what hubris.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Breazy » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:00 PM UTC

basisword wrote: post #278

There are lots of attempts to explain this in the comments: lockdowns, lack of socialisation, pre-pandemic poor mental health, etc. But is not it not much more simple? We were and are in the midst of a global pandemic. A once is a lifetime catastrophic event. The kind of life changing event not experienced in the west since World War II. Of course that's going to cause mental health issues in almost everyone (to vary…

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Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by Breazy » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:02 PM UTC

halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #441

api wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. As with many things, the US response combined all the worst parts of the left's reaction to the pandemic with all the worst aspects of the right's. We had ham-fisted lockdowns (of dubious effectiveness) that destroyed small business and harmed mental health while simultaneously we had a right-wing crackpot antivaccination movement…

The lockdown was a response to a completely unknown pathogen, presumably airborne, that was causing sickness globally. A “ham fisted lockdown” was completely justified to protect everyone while we figured out what was going on. I love everyone trying to play epidemiologist or public policy coordinator like they know what they’re talking about; what hubris.

No post body was provided.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by goblin89 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:02 PM UTC

javajosh wrote: post #384

anon9001 wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strange is an understatement. I can very much relate. But if I'm being honest, so much has improved for me during the pandemic that I don't know how to feel about it. I feel very guilty for saying this because people are dying and I've got more privilege than I can handle, but consider the following: I was already anxious and depressed and wanted to self-isolate. Now everyone is anxious and depressed and forced to se…

>I think English may lack a term for how this feels [comfy + unhealthy]. Perhaps we need a word. It would be a good one, since the best words combine complex, even opposite concepts. My first thought was "sickly-sweet". I also like the new phrase "doom scrolling", combining the dramatic and the banal, which also kind of applies. Somehow the phrase "doom snuggle" comes to mind (although this sounds more like a situati…

“Doomestic cozy”

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by u801e » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:03 PM UTC

javagram wrote: post #423

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

> The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. Anyone who went to an open bar or a packed church service in the USA in December 2020 can tell that governors and the courts were both very sensitive to business and religious concerns about impact on worship, business…

> 0.3% is the case only after torturing statistics or using international statistics from countries that skew younger and have fewer risk factors.

Or countries that don't keep accurate records pertaining to hospitalizations and cause of death.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by aqme28 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:04 PM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

It's interesting to read this as an expat in Europe, where it seems like the US hasn't really done any lockdown at all compared to most other countries.

The issue I think is that there was very little government support for individuals affected economically.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by bingohbangoh » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:05 PM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

I’m gonna defend a bit here.

Early on, nobody knew what covid was gonna look like. It had the potential for millions dead with a very high rate of spread.

So we panicked. It seems forgotten that nobody remembers how awful, unknown, and strange the early pandemic was back in March 2020.

What’s pathetic is how almost two years later, when we know oodles more about this disease, our solutions are identical. Where is the focus on improving hospital capacity? Improving air filter quality (it’s an airborne disease)? Therapeutics? Mass testing capabilities?

The vaccine has proven to be not as effective as we had initially hoped for because the new variants are too different. But that possibility was always known. Why do nothing else?

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:05 PM UTC

Krasnol wrote: post #420

chernevik wrote: post #415

The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. The pandemic response completely ignored the costs of shutdowns. There has been little or no consideration of their impact on physical health, mental health, education, business, employment, worship. It has been as if COVID was the only risk and the only negative, and any other matter was necessarily secondary. To even mention these…

Everybody I know who got Covid, got it from their kids which go to school. Yes mortality is low and kids are quite safe from hard impacts but they don't live in a bubble. They meet people. Also: even if you don't die of it, it could have severe impacts on your life. Long Covid is a thing. It's not that simple...

If everyone got it, destroying businesses and families for over a year in some states to postpone the inevitable was stupid.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by batch12 » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:06 PM UTC

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #440

chernevik wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic. And it is important to distinguish those who are against mandates from those who are against the vaccine.

I think this is misleading. It's very notable that the states where the racial gap is highest are a) not doing very well on mass vaccination b) Republican https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo... So I think it's fair to ask if these people have been denied the vaccine more than they've rejected it. Meanwhile, the stats fairly clearly show political affiliation to be a bigger factor: > According…

Where are vaccines being denied? I haven't seen this as a thing even in the reddest states.

Re: Youth suicide attempts soared during pandemic, CDC report says

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Post by afavour » Sun, Jan 09, 2022, 3:07 PM UTC

chernevik wrote: post #425

api wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US policy response has been far more costly and destructive than it needed to be. As with many things, the US response combined all the worst parts of the left's reaction to the pandemic with all the worst aspects of the right's. We had ham-fisted lockdowns (of dubious effectiveness) that destroyed small business and harmed mental health while simultaneously we had a right-wing crackpot antivaccination movement…

The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic. And it is important to distinguish those who are against mandates from those who are against the vaccine.

> The anti-vax movement isn't just right-wing. Blacks are the most under-vaccinated demographic.

I’d resist extrapolating too much from that. “hasn’t got a vaccine” doesn’t equal “is anti-vax”. There are still issues with accessibility of the vaccine (varying wildly according to location) and those with lower incomes working hourly-paid jobs are concerned about having to take time off to both get the vaccine (two doses) and deal with the side effects.

That’s not to say no black people are anti-vax, there’s a strong distrust of the medical establishment by many (given the history it’s understandable!) but just pointing out that it’s not a 1:1 relationship.