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Indiana life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

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Post by molyss »

romanovcode wrote: post #427
danielheath wrote: post #401

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That’s… a substantial way past “pretty much”.

I just realized that I was not a real alcoholic when I stopped drinking altogether without any withdrawal symptoms or anything like that. But yeah, it's a slippery slope for sure.

Maybe you didn’t fit the addiction part of aloholism, but when it comes to consumption, a 6-pack a day definitely puts you in that category, along with associated psysical and psychological risks. I’d definitely mention that level of alcohol consumption to my GP and get all relevant blood tests

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Post by krona »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #430
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And it's not just opiate users. People buying coke & 'molly' are overdosing too from fent and analogues too. Why in the world would a dealer put fent into coke. I guess a speedball feels great but the average weekend partier doing a bump or a pill are not looking to walk that death tightrope. Just sad all around and we still have a long way to go with stigma and science based treatment. If you happen to be in that sc…

Yep. It's not an opioid epidemic or crisis, it's a toxic drug crisis. The drugs are poisoned. No one knows what's in them. There's a drug test site in my city that regularly posts examples of what they find on twitter. Totally random ultra dangerous poisons in party drugs. All the time. Here's an example: a drug not safe for humans in a test sample of MDMA. https://twitter.com/GYDTcanada/status/1477444546480984065?s=…

Are you saying coroners aren't doing toxicology reports, or something else?

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Post by dukeofdoom »

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This is the only metric still left, which ma be just time delayed. Also people in ICU with covid may not be the same thing as people in ICU because of covid. It may likely just be that very sick people in hospitals are refusing the vaccine and catching it. Hospitals are confined spaces that aid in transmission of all kinds of diseases. The difference is 40 people out of a population of 14.5 million. So small it could…

It could be many things. The simple explanation, that getting a vaccination that prevents or reduces the impact of a disease makes more sense. To the point that it’s a no-brainer. It’s a moot point now, as this phase of the pandemic is played out. People embraced fear, ignorance and doubt in the name of freedom. Many will needlessly suffer as a result.

Wearing gloves to prevent frostbite is a no Brainer too. Telling people in Hawaii to wear gloves to reduce frostbite in Canada is what I think the contentious issue is. A simple solution can be just as brain dead. The vaccine has side effects. Loss of dexterity from wearing gloves also has serious consequences.

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Post by OliverJones »

TRossi wrote: post #75

“Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.” This sounds very strange indeed, I'd like to see the numbers. For instance Euromomo https://www.euromomo.eu collects the statistics about death rates, here is a plot for the Italian death rate and you can see the mortality spikes with the covid wa…

"see the numbers?" This story is from a life insurance company. It doesn't say "the death rate is up overall". It says "our policyholders are dying at an astonishingly high rate."

And it is indeed a very high rate.

The insurance guy was civilized enough not to complain that his company's incurring lots of losses -- getting hammered by writing lots of checks to survivors. But surely that's how an insurance company knows what's going on.

It makes no sense for an executive of a mutual insurance company to sling bs about this kind of loss. Because auditors.

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Post by willcipriano »

molyss wrote: post #441
romanovcode wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just realized that I was not a real alcoholic when I stopped drinking altogether without any withdrawal symptoms or anything like that. But yeah, it's a slippery slope for sure.

Maybe you didn’t fit the addiction part of aloholism, but when it comes to consumption, a 6-pack a day definitely puts you in that category, along with associated psysical and psychological risks. I’d definitely mention that level of alcohol consumption to my GP and get all relevant blood tests

Alcoholism is defined by it's consequences, not by how much you drink. It is the the state of drinking despite dramatic negative life consequences.

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Post by geoduck14 »

woodruffw wrote: post #340
kirse wrote: post #326

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spending nearly all of your time with others makes you accountable and removes opportunities for self-harm. Never would have seen it coming that encouraging people to stay isolated for years at a time and actively fearing their own proximity to one another would be detrimental.

I think you mis-read my comment. The irony is that people are actually closer than ever to their family (or house-mates) due to COVID, which is pushing suicide rates down.

>people are actually closer than ever to their family

Domestic abuse is really high now - because of all of the "close familyness" going on. Also, there is a "National Emergency" for pediatric mental health. [0]. This is not a trivial fact

[0] https://www.aacap.org/AACAP/zLatest_News/Pediatricians_CAPs_...

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Post by Manuel_D »

oezi wrote: post #435
Manuel_D wrote: post #423

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> 600,000 more elderly Americans, or 1 of 100, have died during the Covid epidemic than would have died had the epidemic not occurred. The article does not say this. The substantial majority of Covid deaths occur among people close to or beyond the typical life expectancy [1]. It's hard to measure how many people would have died during this time frame due to complications other than Covid, and the NYT article you lin…

Life expectancy is a population average. You don't die just because you reach that age. There are quite a few studies showing that life years lost due to Covid are substantial even for the eldest.

True, but it's drastically more likely that someone over 65 would have died over the course of the pandemic (which is approaching several years at this point) than someone between 18-65. Years lost from elderly deaths may be "substantial" but it's an act of wilful ignorance to pretend that it isn't a lot smaller than years of life lost from a 20 year old dying.

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Post by toss1 »

csee wrote: post #303
toss1 wrote: post #300

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From direct accounts, the figure is likely low. A good attorney friend has a friend who used to be one of the sharpest and most witty attorneys he knew. Months after a "mild case" (no hospitalization), the friend is not all there, fading in and out - he'll literally fade in and make a witty comment almost like before, then seconds later not remember it..., and hasn't been able to get back to work. That sounds like a…

Was that attorney vaxxed? > I'm not interested in that risk, and you shouldn't be either. Well, I share your anxiety about it at least. It's my biggest concern about COVID as a young person. Even 2 points is too much given the asymmetric payoff at the margin.

IIRC, he got it before the vaccines were available. I'll check the next time I chat with my friend.

>>Even 2 points is too much given the asymmetric payoff at the margin.

YUP!! It feels like for someone close to 100, 5 points lower would be a loss putting them suddenly below a huge group they were ahead of, and for someone close to 140, 5 points lower would be a huge step down in overall capability, even though the group they are suddenly below is not that large. Either way, both the studies about the CV-19 clotting issues and mini-strokes, and that it is now known to infect, thrive in, and kill central nervos system cells is really scary.

Just the fact that one of the first things to go is the sense of smell - that's one of the oldest and most core neural pathways, leading right into the brain core. And the phnomena of patients recovering their sense of smell for a while and then it going off so that every smell/taste is like gasoline or rotting pork so they lose 30Lbs in 3 months is horrifying enough, but when I consider what it's likely doing to the brain (neuroscience was my minor in college), that just gives me the creeps. I'll take plague instead, thanks, at least it's just ordinary misery.

Edit: Here's a new interesting point - "Long covid with neuro symptoms:

Not real enough to be factored in to disease prevention plans

Real enough for drug trials"

https://twitter.com/DFisman/status/1477732646130106368

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