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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by outside1234 »

vesinisa wrote: post #104
jaclaz wrote: post #83

Thanks. Only for the record, the message I get from EU: 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact help@purdueexponent.org or call 765-743-1111. Maybe it…

Can't help seeing the irony that the censored document is a declaration by the publisher about how strongly they are committed to freedom of expression in international context.. CORRECTION: As other have pointed out, the publisher is actually the student newspaper, which is independent from Purdue University itself.

Also, they don't have the money to comply with the EU's GDPR from a legal requirement, so this is really a result of the EU's laws.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Zenbit_UX »

ch4s3 wrote: post #424
rkk3 wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen Masacre You realize the 89' protestors were trying to overthrow the government (thats how you establish the Democracy). No surprise that celebrating failed-revolutionaries is contentious.

They were run over by tanks, and the PRC has made it illegal to even mention the event. Most nation states allow citizens to talk about their own history good and bad.

Run over by tanks doesn't quite cover the brutality of that night. The tanks repeatedly drove over and then reversed over the same bodies until they were pulp on the streets. What happened that night was ni unspeakable, yet we must speak of it or we risk it being forgotten in history.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by chmod600 »

sschueller wrote: post #248
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

In the U.S. there's a hierarchy of freedoms. Fundamental rights, like speech and the right to a fair trial, are necessary to secure other "lower" freedoms if you want.

You can drink outside in some places, like Las Vegas. The fact that you can't drink outside most places just illustrates that the overwhelming majority don't even want to do that.

Drugs and booze are cheap freedoms that don't do anything to avoid repression.

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Post by montblanc »

JabavuAdams wrote: post #297
sschueller wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

This struck me as I was visiting Munich, momentarily agog at the guy in front of me walking down the street drinking beer like it was no thing. Meanwhile Americans were protesting that mask mandates were an infringement on their freedom (Germans too). Many, many things are an infringement on our individual freedom, but it's revealing what people actually choose to rally around, and when. It points to how certain issu…

I got comments from neighbors for going into the street with a cup of coffee in the Netherlands. My Dutch wasn't that great but I picked up they were busting my balls in a friendly way - guess it looked funny to some. I also sometimes would get uncomfortable stares whenever I came down to throw something in the garbage room - the old guy looking was making sure I'm not gonna put garbage A in a B dumpster. Now every society has some kind of norms police citizens, but I feel it's quite worse in places like Germany/NL/Switzerland etc.

Not really much substance to my argument, just sharing. Also I'm not criticizing these countries, their culture is just different than what I was brought up with. Where I live if you start correcting everyone around you you will be the one corrected eventually. That's why where I live looks much worse than Germany I guess.

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Post by mikewarot »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #317
geoduck14 wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to NOT store IP addresses. And the hosters that provide you traffic need to also NOT store them

You're kidding, right? I was hoping after so many years it's clear. GDPR is about personal information. First, if you have no way of linking the IP to personal information, it does not apply. Second, even if it's linked (as in a web store etc.), storing it is perfectly fine! You just need to clearly state what information you store and for how long. Everybody, also in the EU, are storing IP addresses. Everybody. Even…

Why risk getting entangled in weird foreign laws that might still have consequences here? The simplest solution is the best, just say no thanks in a simple redirect.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by brodouevencode »

xwolfi wrote: post #290
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I'm a French immigrant in China. I think you're building a fake dichotomy: as a politician in France once said, borders are the only hope we have to escape if we dont like what we have. It's fine to have many models and important we can move in between them. I agree China cares about the result now but it's probably temporary: once the middle class is proportionally more important, priorities will shift, they already…

Summing up this response as

> you accuse people of this while you do that

Assuming this is right (and even if it's not), do not confuse the values and actions of a government with the values of its people. The CCP has gone out of its way to remove Tiananmen from history. Many bureaucrats in the US government wish they had the power to erase points in history as what the CCP wields.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #63

The scale of some Chinese people's commitment to support of their government's chosen narrative against facts is quite impressive / scary. Zealots make great cannon fodder, and the more cannon fodder the higher the chance of winning. It bodes poorly for Hong Kong, Taiwan, and any other country with a coastline along the South China Sea.

There is also a large contingent of young english speaking CCP loyalists who go around liberal American social media and absolutely shred the US about everything (to much applause). It just looks like typical, albeit extreme, young liberal anti-establishment (and race centric) rhetoric. Dig through their profile though and you'll see they are oddly sympathetic to China.

These are people who are simultaneously calling for America to be dissolved on the grounds of repaying for slavery while also arguing that the youth of Hong Kong are confused and mislead.

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Post by outside1234 »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #395
yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

The administration can’t ban these students because they need the money from these students to keep their jobs.

This student is a grad student, so if anything, he is the exploited one here.

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Post by Lambent_Cactus »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

I seems like a lot hinges on "The identities of the bullies is well known."

The President's letter says "If those students who issues the threats can be identified, they will be subject to appropriate disciplinary sanction." Have the threateners been reliably identified in, for example, press accounts? It seems very possible that in some communities on campus "everyone knows who it is" without the administration actually knowing, or being able to reliably prove, who it was.

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