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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bitcharmer » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:41 AM UTC

MonaroVXR wrote: post #351

BbzzbB wrote: post #234

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Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

I never checked the likes to watch a video, I think if you have enough YouTube "experience" you can probably figure out what videos are good and which aren't. (No hate, just my opinion, I don't care about the likes)

Tutorial videos are a great example why this is a big problem. I know nothing about replacing brake pads in a car but there are videos on YT that show you how to do it. Sadly among tutorials you will definitely find some that despite high view count are misleading or even dangerous.

High view count does not mean high quality. They are pretty orthogonal.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bitcharmer » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:43 AM UTC

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #396

BbzzbB wrote: post #234

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Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

The dislike ratio was never reliable when a downvote army comes through to kill anything that threatens their worldview. Play too roughly with a cat? The cat people dislike you. Promote an exercise of liberty some don't want you to have? Dislike.

This is nonsensical argument to use. Out of all the videos you've watched on YT in years how much do you really think got brigaded?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by bitcharmer » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:44 AM UTC

tmaly wrote: post #341

dwighttk wrote: post #226

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> By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. Why?

There is a positive to this. New creators get a little bit more of a chance.

Please explain how this gives better chances to new creators.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by rhdunn » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:48 AM UTC

drusepth wrote: post #387

BbzzbB wrote: post #234

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Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

>Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time I see this argument every time dislikes are brought up but no one seems to ever mention views as a third data point. I've never really paid attention to dislikes (other than hearing about dislike raids), but you can still see videos' like:view ratio, which IMO has always been more significant than dislikes anyway.

I don't always like a video I've watched that I like. Especially when watching via a playlist with the video full screen.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:52 AM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #356

throwbacktictac wrote: post #340

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My first thought is that the reason is to take the incentive away from "dislike" trolls. I reasoned that trolls got some pleasure out of seeing that ratio being skewed and it would encourage them to continue disliking videos.

Hmm, I wonder if a campaign to tell everyone to go and dislike every video they watch would gain traction. The same way Google destroyed this metric for viewers, it would destroy the usefulness for creators. Act of petty revenge for sure, and they'll probably remove you from their fiefdom for being a troll.

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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by throwuxiytayq » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:52 AM UTC

drusepth wrote: post #387

BbzzbB wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

>Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time I see this argument every time dislikes are brought up but no one seems to ever mention views as a third data point. I've never really paid attention to dislikes (other than hearing about dislike raids), but you can still see videos' like:view ratio, which IMO has always been more significant than dislikes anyway.

No, you can't see it. You need to calculate it. Are you seriously suggesting that people will start doing math?

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by gremloni » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 8:56 AM UTC

vl wrote: post #360

franczesko wrote: post #217

The majority of YouTube traffic comes from mobile devices (this can be observed in Google Ads for any video campaign), which is losing market share because of Tictoc. Google will do whatever it takes to monetize every inch of their investment. By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. This is also visible on the other side of the spectrum - Google is pushing heavily integrated c…

Youtube Shorts (TicToc competitor) is pure evil. If I accidentally click on it I can find myself two hours later after watching hundred videos I can't even remember anymore. Sure it's high engagement, but it's truly bad for user satisfaction and long-term user retention. On top of that they blatantly and prominently push their political agenda in "news" section. But I don't think there is deep evil thinking behind di…

> blatantly and prominently push their political agenda

Only if you consider egalitarianism and diversity as political issues. To most of society they are universal values so it’s not contentious.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by questiondev » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:00 AM UTC

if their comments are apart search then this is considered tampering search results

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by lota-putty » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:00 AM UTC

I'm not liking any videos right now. Not sure what to do with the videos on my 'liked list'. Only original & creative content that's impressive is spared from a dislike. Gathered it's subjective.

My block-list & 'don't recommend channel' is growing faster now.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by gremloni » Sat, Dec 04, 2021, 9:01 AM UTC

BbzzbB wrote: post #234

dwighttk wrote: post #226

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> By turning off dislikes, users will be forced to engage with additional content. Why?

Because you can't see a video has a 1:9 like:dislike ratio to tell you it's not worth your time. Granted, you'll (probably) be able to tell from the comments, for now. I'm not convinced how much it'd actually impact watch time, but it seems to be the thesis.

That’s because the like:dislike ratio on contentious issues no longer tells you if the video is worth your time but rather is a reflection of some manipulated brigading effort, atleast anecdotally. This actually does make the ratio useless.