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"by letting a gap grow in front of me that would absorb the wave" would cause the freeway to carry fewer cars if everyone does it. My oldest one used to argue with me on this point when I asked him to keep a bigger gap from the car in the front for safety reasons.
But it could arguably increase the throughput (easier to on and off). Which is better: more vehicles on the freeway at lower average speeds - or fewer, faster ones?
Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lays off 25% of staff
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Re: Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lays off 25% of staff
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History indicates the opposite. The largest speculative bubbles in history are typically driven by professional investors or high-net-worth individuals, not retail buyers.
Where is this data coming from? Thats simply not true. The dot com bubble, housing bubble, crypto bubbles were all retail.
Even now, with retail being the most powerful they've ever been in human history, they might be able to squeeze a single, small or mid cap equity (GME being the most famous example) but they cannot move sectors of markets, much less create a generalized bubble in ANY asset class.
Crypto 2017 is the only "bubble" which you might claim was retail-driven (even then, you'd need to provide evidence for such a claim), and even that had institutional money such as Grayscale, high-net-worth speculators, and algotrading from high-net-worth speculators driving the bubble. Not to mention that was a tiny bubble relative to any equity market bubbles.
It's well-known Tech bubble 2001 was driven by investment banks. It's even more well known that the 2008 bubble was driven by investment banks, hedge funds, and derivatives trading. The current $2.5T+ market cap crypto bubble has been formed by large institutional buyers, high net worth individuals, and corporations pumping money.
Dutch Tulips, South Sea Trading Company stocks, 90s Japan were all from institutions or high-net-worth individuals (nobles, royalty, corporations, etc) as well. Your post really couldn't be further away from reality. The historic bond bubbles have all been inflated by institutions and governments. Making a claim that even one bubble, much less "most" bubbles are caused by retail, is an outrageous claim which requires extraordinary evidence that you would need to provide.
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The models don't have to predict a slowdown. They just have to account for the total amount of risk Zillow is assuming.
Which should really just boil down to carrying costs vs future expected profits
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P/E ratios of much of the S&P500 would indicate prices/values far over the fundamental value, yet investors continue to flock to large-cap equities in droves.
Not the same thing though. The ceiling here is about affordability, not the value of the asset. A house is a need for the individual buyer, not an investment.
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> the lenders that approved "liar loans" get burned badly. the lenders "knew" of the bad loans, but because these lenders are going to on-sell the loan to some other investor, they didn't care as they profit off the sale, rather than the loan repayments. It's a moral hazard.
The loans were also bundled into opaque securities and the “low-risk” tranches were rated and priced for a typical rate of uncorrelated defaults, not a widespread crash.
Official #1: Btw (by the way) that deal is ridiculous. Official #2: I know right...model def (definitely) does not capture half the risk. Official #1: We should not be rating it. Official #2: We rate every deal. It could be structured by cows and we would rate it.
And the parts that were so junky they couldn't be rated got remixed into another deal to get rated.
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#446Crazy. I recently sold a condo to Opendoor for significantly more than I would have even thought to list it for. When I negotiated with Opendoor after their initial offer, I pointed out a recently sold condo (days before, in similar condition, layout and finishes) in the same complex that sold for much higher than Opendoor offered. Within hours Opendoor came back matching that same selling price. The kicker? It was a…
this is yahoo 2: electric marketing dot com bust. it was purely about marketing driving up its own value via poorly considered metrics that invariably included positive reenforcement loops. eg, yahoo sells an ad for a company which sells ads on yahoo.
Re: Zillow to stop flipping homes, loses more than $550M, lays off 25% of staff
#447Crazy. I recently sold a condo to Opendoor for significantly more than I would have even thought to list it for. When I negotiated with Opendoor after their initial offer, I pointed out a recently sold condo (days before, in similar condition, layout and finishes) in the same complex that sold for much higher than Opendoor offered. Within hours Opendoor came back matching that same selling price. The kicker? It was a…
You think Zillow would have one person take 15 minutes to do a quick look at the offer prices first!
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> Anyone whose main income is from other peoples rent has an incredible amount of explaining to do if they want to claim that they are anything but a useless leech What would you envision as the alternative to tenanted apartment complexes? Let’s say you could wave a wand and outlaw rental housing as a business. Do you think the world would be a better or worse place?
Not GP, but wiping out the externalities of property being used as a capital investment vehicle instead of for its inherent utility seems like it would inarguably, in any rational market system, make housing more affordable. It's self-evident that it would be better for anyone without a vested interest in denying the housing needs of the many. If there absolutely must exist a category of housing that is rented and no…
The old people with a reverse mortgage & the taxpayer subsidizing the associated losses.
People who put much of their excess savings into an appreciating home they planned to sell to fund their retirement as they moved elsewhere to somewhere cheaper, but now have a home which as a step function is worth far less.
People who would be quickly underwater if the property market tanks deciding to jingle mail, leading to blighted streets for those who stayed.
Local property taxes pay for schools, fire departments, police, etc.
As far as the state being a perfect provider to step in ... in the US about half of healthcare spending is fraud. That the bill is passed onto someone else is a big slice of that (along with ignoring antitrust laws, local CON laws, illegal to import pharmaceuticals directly as a consumer, etc).
I used to live near Chicago as a kid & recalled this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrini%E2%80%93Green_Homes "At first, the housing was integrated and many residents held jobs. This changed in the years after World War II, when the nearby factories that provided the neighborhood's economic base closed and thousands were laid off. At the same time, the cash-strapped city began withdrawing crucial services like police patrols, transit services, and routine building maintenance. ... On July 17, 1970, Chicago police patrolman Anthony N. Rizzato and Sergeant James Severin were shot and killed by gang members while patrolling community housing for an all-volunteer "Walk and Talk" project. As the officers proceeded across the Cabrini–Green baseball field, the assailants opened fire from an apartment window. The purpose of the shooting was to seal a pact between two rival gangs."
Which land will the free or subsidized housing go on? Will the people spending a grand or two a month in property taxes want the elevated crime levels near their own front door?
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The point I was trying to make, so I assume the person you replied to see it the same. Is that no one else really attempts to explain the context around the assertion. Everyone previous is happy to blame people who are winning the game, labeling anyone who's not losing as a cheater. No one else is willing to explain why or how they're cheating. Which, if you don't know all the rules, and exploits looks like complaini…
The assertion is that rent seekers are "leeches", providing no value, while extracting value for themselves. It's very hard to prove the existence of a negative. That's the context. Note that no one said "cheating", that's context you read in yourself. It's interesting that you haven't made a single attempt to provide an actual counterpoint of your own, of what value rent seekers actually provide, especially since yo…
When I got started on the web I moved a couple states over to live with a friend who was going to college. We lived in a mobile home & our rentier extractor landlord captured like $110 a month. I was able to spend little time doing work I didn't want to do in order to pay rent & could spend a lot of time learning.
High rents can offer some level of exclusivity and give people an opportunity to express their values, what they value, and how much they value it. There's a reason that most people who are in subsidized public housing end up wanting to move away if they can afford to.
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Are you asking why, in a system that its supporters claim is a meritocracy, it wrong for it to be easier for the rich to get richer than for the poor to achieve parity, given equal merit? Is that a rhetorical question, or are you about to argue in favor of the ethics of feudalism? Because bridging that ethical divide would take more than a simple hacker news comment. edit: Ah, to more directly address you point earli…
Oh boy, this jumps around a lot and very little is very deep so my answers will have to jump around a bit to make sure I didn't miss anything. > Are you asking why, in a system that its supporters claim is a meritocracy, who's made these assertions, and where? Not anywhere in the thread's I've read... > it wrong for it to be easier for the rich to get richer than for the poor to achieve parity, given equal merit? Is…
There is no way to go back in time to make everything fair from some arbitrary starting point. All you can do is your best to do your best.
Pricing can lead to unequal outcomes, but it at least provides a signal that you are on the right track or not.
A quest for universal fairness can only work by lowering people rather than by promoting them doing what they are best at.
Anyone seeking universal fairness & equal outcomes in all aspects of life should read Kurt Vonnegut's Harrison Bergeron as many times as required to change that mindset. http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html "THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren't only equal before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the 211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General."