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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by reaperducer » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:57 PM UTC

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #433

This was a "Shut up and take my money" day for me. I've been running on a 3-year-old machine, straining at the leash, and it's time to change. I made my order about a minute after the store went live, and I won't get it until next month. I suspect part of that, is because I'm getting the M1 Max processor. They'll make a lot of money, this week.

I've been running on a 3-year-old machine, straining at the leash, and it's time to change.

My daily driver MacBook Air is very close to ten years old. I wonder if I'll get ten years out of this one, too.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by rz2k » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

I thought the 2016 MacBook Pro was an enormous improvement over the 2015 models, because 3 lbs is the sweet spot for me where I no longer had a hard time deciding between an Air or Pro model. The 14" model is 3.5 lbs like the 2015 13".

Users' testimonials will probably make me happy that I waited for the second iteration of Apple silicon, but I do wish there was an option that had a combination of trade-offs like smaller battery, terrible speakers, or no magsafe to get it half a pound lighter.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by throwawaysea » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

nbzso wrote: post #399

Nice. Ports are back. Very nice. Prices are up. Not nice. The deal breaker is the notch. Sorry Apple I am a designer. I cannot watch this 24/7. Even if the top bar is black the notch will be visible enough to distract my visual line. The more I look at this, the more I like the Framework laptop. P.S. Happy down-voting, have a nice day and stay safe.

Isn’t the notch strictly an improvement? The alternative is to lose that top area to a bezel. This feels like extra screen for free.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by adam_arthur » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:58 PM UTC

dntrkv wrote: post #414

nharada wrote: post #53

Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept th…

Agreed. I'm a fan of function over form, but Apple standardizing on a single port pushed a lot of accessories and other manufacturers towards USB-C. I use my (USB-C) mac charger for my phone all the time, simply because it's there and the cable is longer.

I didn't really find Magsafe that useful anyway, as I'm pretty much always hooked up to a monitor via USB-C (which charges as well).

I guess it's nice for those that miss it, but we were starting to finally get to a world with a one-size-fits-all cable. Remember back in the day when old-style cell phones/laptops all had proprietary chargers?

But it seems the momentum for USB-C is there, so hopefully consolidation continues. Anyway, the EU and maybe others seem to be moving towards legislation to consolidate I/O types anyway.

I'm guessing the HDMI is partially due to bandwidth limitations of USB-C, though I forget the specifics.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by wrs » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

mgkimsal wrote: post #217

Not trying to be snarky here, but... it'll probably come across that way. Will we ever see the end of beach balls? I've got an m1 Mac mini, and ... I see far fewer, but I still see them. I don't understand what with so many core, so must 'fast' and 'powerful' stuff, that my computer will still freeze and lag doing seemingly normal stuff.

Based on long experience I suspect most beachballs nowadays are because of locks, not lack of CPU cycles. The UI thread is waiting for something to happen in the background that should have been fast, so the developer did it synchronously, but for some reason it isn’t. Maybe a helper process failed, or there’s a network glitch, or maybe the developer just didn’t get multithread locking right and the wait will never end. In any case, a faster processor does nothing to help.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by dirkg » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

mizzack wrote: post #92

Wow looks like Apple has abandoned every bad decision on the MBP for the past 5 years in one swoop. No touchbar, increased key travel, added back hdmi/sd/headphone/power jacks. Plus bumped up RAM limit, M1, new displays, 120Hz... Wow.

touchbar was actually nice

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by dymk » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 6:59 PM UTC

dntrkv wrote: post #414

nharada wrote: post #53

Happy to see they added Magsafe but ALSO still support charging via the USB3 ports.

Controversial opinion, but I think adding Magsafe back (along with the other ports) was a step backward for the industry. Apple pushed the whole industry to standardize on one connector for everything. If anyone really needed those other ports, a small $30 portable hub would add them all back. Magsafe 3 is just another connector that will add more e-waste and proprietary cables to the mix. It's nice that they kept th…

The e-waste from chargers is a non-issue. Our oceans aren't filling up with dongles, nor are our landfills.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by lucideer » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

chrisseaton wrote: post #284

buu700 wrote: post #202

I can live without HDMI, but it never made sense to me to put SD on the chopping block. In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? Edit: For clarity, read my reply to anamexis before responding to this.

> In what sense was USB-C ever supposed to be an alternative to SD card slots? You use a USB-C dongle. 99% of people never use SD cards so don't care. The people who do care can use a dongle.

The point is that people who do care want an always-in solution.

I have two low-profile always-in peripherals in my 2017 Air: SD & yubi. I have the same on my modern Dell Precision (which is otherwise a MBP-esque all-usbc chassis). These can be taken out, but rarely need to be & are always available. That setup isn't possible with any current Apple devices (until now).

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by didibus » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

krzyk wrote: post #434

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Bummer, I hooe usbc can still be used for charging. Abd that will be the default charger. I love the fact that I can charge my phone laptoo (lenovo) and my wifes macbook air all with the same charger. Bummer 2, because now producers of tvs/monitors will have less drive to reolace old hdmi with usbc. sd cards? Are they that popular nowadays?

Ya, for connecting to a hub it's awesome, just plug one cable in and you get power, monitor, keyboard and mouse. Hope that still works.

Also, I like being able to charge on either side, it's annoying having the cable across when the plug is on the wrong side.

So if the Thunderbolt 4 ports support all this, then it's amazing, just best of all worlds. Otherwise a bit of a bummer.

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by throwawaysea » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:00 PM UTC

krzyk wrote: post #434

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

Bummer, I hooe usbc can still be used for charging. Abd that will be the default charger. I love the fact that I can charge my phone laptoo (lenovo) and my wifes macbook air all with the same charger. Bummer 2, because now producers of tvs/monitors will have less drive to reolace old hdmi with usbc. sd cards? Are they that popular nowadays?

You can still use the thunderbolt/USBC ports (not sure if all three or just one) for charging. But I think only the new MagSafe 3 port gives you fast charge (50% battery life in 30 minutes).