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Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Reddit r/Sysadmin user that claims to be on the "Recovery Team" for this ongoing issue: > As many of you know, DNS for FB services has been affected and this is likely a symptom of the actual issue, and that's that BGP peering with Facebook peering routers has gone down, very likely due to a configuration change that went into effect shortly before the outages happened (started roughly 1540 UTC). There are people now…

Wondering how Facebook communicates now internally - most of their work streams likely depend on Facebooks systems which are all down. Can engineers and security teams even access prod systems anymore? Like, would "Bastion" hosts be reachable? Wonder if they use Signal and Slack now?

Don't they have a separate instance for internal communications?

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Of all the big tech companies Facebook is the only one where it can completely disappear overnight and my life would be completely unaffected (or possibly improved by not having to explain to people I don't use facebook, please email or text me your invitations rather than use messenger). If Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple disappeared the story would be completely different.

Weird, because over here WhatsApp is ingrained into the social fabric of your life. Couldn't imagine ever going back to texting/iMessage.

Small and medium businesses would suffer as well, since many use WhatsApp as a sales channel now.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the big tech companies Facebook is the only one where it can completely disappear overnight and my life would be completely unaffected (or possibly improved by not having to explain to people I don't use facebook, please email or text me your invitations rather than use messenger). If Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple disappeared the story would be completely different.

Facebook is an unparalleled titan in the realm of advertising and WhatsApp is basically a utility-level communication system for a big chunk of the globe. Instagram is a key cultural driver of the Western world. You many not feel any direct firsthand consequences, but the overall impact would transform the world around you.

> Facebook is an unparalleled titan in the realm of advertising

Uh, Google? It's definitely paralleled, and also preceded

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the big tech companies Facebook is the only one where it can completely disappear overnight and my life would be completely unaffected (or possibly improved by not having to explain to people I don't use facebook, please email or text me your invitations rather than use messenger). If Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple disappeared the story would be completely different.

Facebook is an unparalleled titan in the realm of advertising and WhatsApp is basically a utility-level communication system for a big chunk of the globe. Instagram is a key cultural driver of the Western world. You many not feel any direct firsthand consequences, but the overall impact would transform the world around you.

"Are you alright? What's wrong?"

"I felt a great disturbance in the DNS. As if millions of influencers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I feel something terrible has happened. But you better get on with your content curation."

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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It seems it has caused DNS servers crash for one of biggest Czechia's internet provider - Vodafone. Can be unrelated but I doubt it ( https://twitter.com/BlazejKrajnak/status/1445063232486531099 ). Think of it - half the country doesn't have internet because of this crash, that's terrifying. (Switching DNS servers obviously works but that's not something the general population will do)

If only the news reporting was not as stupid as "internet is not working at UPC", instead of DNS resolvers at UPC crashed, here's what you can do...

Anyway, I didn't even notice since I run knot-resolver at home.

I wonder what it will be like connecting Facebook back to the internet, thundering herd and everything...

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Is it just me or HN also feels kinda laggy?

A couple of years ago, an admin at Hacker News asked those of us who are just reading to log out because their system is architected in such a way that logged in users use more resources than anonymous ones. So, if you're feeling altruistic, log out of HN!

Logging out does work! Probably delivering a cache.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Just imagine the amount of stress on this people, hope the money really worth it.

It shouldn't be too stressful. Well-managed companies blame processes rather than people, and have systems set up to communicate rapidly when large-scale events occur. It can be sort of exciting, but it's not like there is one person typing at a keyboard with a hundred managers breathing down their neck. These resolutions are collaborative, shared efforts.

> Well-managed companies blame processes rather than people

I feel like this just obfuscates the fact that individuals are ultimately responsible, and allows subpar employees to continue existing at an organization when their position could be filled by a more qualified employee. (Not talking about this Facebook incident in particular, but as a generalisation: not attributing individual fault allows faulty employees to thrive at the expense of more qualified ones).

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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> the people with physical access is separate from the people with knowledge of [...] Welcome to the brave new world of troubleshooting. This will seriously bite us one day.

I can't fathom how they didn't plan for this. In any business of size, you have to change configuration remotely on a regular basis, and can easily lock yourself out on a regular basis. Every single system has a local user with a random password that we can hand out for just this kind of circumstance...

Another Monday morning at a boring datacenter job, i bet they weren't even there yet at 830 when the phones started ringing.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Funny enough, I went to https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/ to check if Facebook is down, and isitdownrightnow is down itself... probably from the massive number requests coming to check if Facebook is down

https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/facebook

Amusingly, that returns:

> Is Facebook down right now?

> Uh oh! Something went wrong on our side. It's not you, it's us. Feel free to contact us if this persists.

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