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Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by mbreese »

miohtama wrote: post #418
mbreese wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also started doing this, but using containers locally (on a Mac). The ability to have a set dev environment without needing to install local programs or compilers is great. And really once you flip to this model, it doesn’t matter if you’re running your dev in a container or remote VM. So long as you can get a command line to your dev environment, it really doesn’t matter where it is. (Or who hosts it)

Though I like this model, the problem with dev containers on macOS is that the disk io is bog slow. This makes some IO heavy tasks (pip install, npm install) painfully slow. I have started to run some dev tasks on a remote Linux server, with Dockers, and then just configured automatic file sync on save over SSH.

Very true. It really depends on what the workflow is. But once you’ve already moved to a disconnected dev environment, moving from a container to remote server is a small step.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by [deleted] »

bogwog wrote: post #358

Serious question: if I were to use this, would Microsoft collect analytics on me (code written, keystrokes, mouse movements, sleep/work schedule, productivity metrics, etc) and monetize that data by using it to build some AI product like Copilot, or build a productivity dashboard so managers can fire people for not being productive enough (like Xsolla did), use it to serve me ads, or do some stupid/irresponsible/unet…

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Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by leppr »

politelemon wrote: post #426
bogwog wrote: post #358

Serious question: if I were to use this, would Microsoft collect analytics on me (code written, keystrokes, mouse movements, sleep/work schedule, productivity metrics, etc) and monetize that data by using it to build some AI product like Copilot, or build a productivity dashboard so managers can fire people for not being productive enough (like Xsolla did), use it to serve me ads, or do some stupid/irresponsible/unet…

Context is hugely important, and equally important is not to get sucked in by the HN echo chamber - that is, consider the MS of _now_ as opposed to that of 15 years ago which HN likes to bash (and give a free pass to other companies doing nefarious things). The FB example is considering the FB of _now_ and not 15 years ago. In terms of the biggest companies in the sector, MS has been doing much more for developers an…

The MS that's killing their own single most popular product, Windows, with anti-user features, is the MS of now. Releasing VS code and WSL doesn't redeem their sins.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by theturtletalks »

kjksf wrote: post #385
bogwog wrote: post #358

Serious question: if I were to use this, would Microsoft collect analytics on me (code written, keystrokes, mouse movements, sleep/work schedule, productivity metrics, etc) and monetize that data by using it to build some AI product like Copilot, or build a productivity dashboard so managers can fire people for not being productive enough (like Xsolla did), use it to serve me ads, or do some stupid/irresponsible/unet…

If they do, the competition is just a click away: https://www.gitpod.io/

Stackblitz Webcontainers[0] look promising too. I read the creators plan on open-sourcing the underlying tech once more mature.

0. https://blog.stackblitz.com/posts/introducing-webcontainers/

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by judge2020 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #212
gosukiwi wrote: post #91

Ugh, now not only you don't own your code ( ahem copilot cough ) you also don't own the tools to develop code. The direction the web is taking is worrisome. The issue is not so much senior devs, but new devs. If they start off with things like that, there' so much magic under the hood, they won't understand how anything works. They don't understand they don't own shit until it's too late. I remember when I first saw…

It's funny because we told people not to trust big companies, they tell us we are paranoid, they do it, they pay the price for it, then they say we were right, then they do it again. MS changed. Google changed. Apple changed. Why do one expect github to never turn evil ? Haven't learned enough from history ? Don't let them control your entire stack! Don't let anybody control the entire of anything. There is a differe…

People act in their own interests, usually prioritizing the medium-term (eg. evaluating every few years/every decade) over the long-term. These products made by the big companies provide immense value that promises to make your life better tomorrow, so most people choose them.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by boardwaalk »

ramraj07 wrote: post #346
hbn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny timing to announce this the day after a major outage that took down practically the entire platform

It’s very likely them doing pre rollout operations for this feature is actually what caused that outage though.

You say “though” as if it absolves them. If they break basic requirements of a Git host like fetch and push while working on this extra feature that’s on them.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by distrill »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #424
distrill wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, whenever I hear this kind of rhetoric - if my company ever required it's time for a new job - I roll my eyes. Sure, keep pushing yourself out of more companies, there are a lot of good engineers* who will be absolutely as productive as you and who won't be a drain on everyone around them. *it's always engineers making these statements or I only know engineers

There are plenty of engineers but few good ones. Hiring is brutal, especially now, so good developers can afford to be picky and find another semi identical job in almost no time.

I'm also not sure I agree that there are few good engineers. I think that's some rhetoric that we all say because we all think we're some of the few good ones.

In my experience (FAANG, startups in the valley and startups out of state/country), strong engineering talent is not particularly difficult to find, but finding a good fit is the tricky part. And I would wager that eagerness-to-rage-quit is a pretty good indicator of someone who will have trouble finding teams that they fit on.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by Davertron »

bogwog wrote: post #358

Serious question: if I were to use this, would Microsoft collect analytics on me (code written, keystrokes, mouse movements, sleep/work schedule, productivity metrics, etc) and monetize that data by using it to build some AI product like Copilot, or build a productivity dashboard so managers can fire people for not being productive enough (like Xsolla did), use it to serve me ads, or do some stupid/irresponsible/unet…

So, maybe? But these products already exist. Your company doesn't need to pay Microsoft to get that data, they can install stuff on your work machine and get all that info right now.

Re: GitHub’s engineering team has moved to Codespaces

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Post by kbenson »

politelemon wrote: post #426
bogwog wrote: post #358

Serious question: if I were to use this, would Microsoft collect analytics on me (code written, keystrokes, mouse movements, sleep/work schedule, productivity metrics, etc) and monetize that data by using it to build some AI product like Copilot, or build a productivity dashboard so managers can fire people for not being productive enough (like Xsolla did), use it to serve me ads, or do some stupid/irresponsible/unet…

Context is hugely important, and equally important is not to get sucked in by the HN echo chamber - that is, consider the MS of _now_ as opposed to that of 15 years ago which HN likes to bash (and give a free pass to other companies doing nefarious things). The FB example is considering the FB of _now_ and not 15 years ago. In terms of the biggest companies in the sector, MS has been doing much more for developers an…

By the same reasoning, since we're talking about data collection, and that data doesn't just disappear in most cases, consider the MS, FB and Google of 15 years in the future. Given the changes already mentioned, what can we reliably say about them, other than that massive change is at least possible, and possibly even likely?

This is why I don't like Google collecting data on me now. Not because I don't trust them now, I for the most part still think them trustworthy, but 15 years is a long time and there's no way I can intelligently trust that they will act in a certain way 15 years from now, given the available information at my disposal.

And that's with a company that I think is heavily incentivized monetarily and has a strong employee culture of keeping data private and in-house. Until there are better laws protecting my data or a clear legal relationship with me and an entity with regards to my data, I think the only prudent course of action is to keep as much information about me as possible out of their and others hands.

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